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Free speech? Not with the "Rally Squads" around

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by SockPuppet, Aug 23, 2007.

  1. If there were Clinton materials, or politicized IRS audits, the info would have been leaked by Starr's office or bu the GOP congressional investigators. Since they weren't, I doubt their provenance.
     
  2. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Tony, I don't understand this response. Take the names Clinton or Bush out of this... PUBLIC events run by the president in a democracy that have an organized government-determined protocol for squelching any dissent, and in the cases the article references, having the protesters arrested without any cause, is disgusting. This isn't about anything Clinton did. That is a way to cheap and ineffective way to try to deflect attention from something disgusting that Bush's White House has done. Clinton could have been the Adolph Hitler of the 90s for all most people care, and it still doesn't excuse Bush's White House when it displays what sounds like downright fascist behavior.
     
  3. Dan Rydell

    Dan Rydell Guest

    As a longtime independent and a moralist skeptic, I'm caught in the middle and appalled by both sides.

    I'm especially disgusted by the Busher administration, but adding to the misery is the thought that if Clinton had just made it a point to keep his pants pulled up on the job, how the world might be smiling upon us to this day.

    Have at it.
     
  4. old_tony

    old_tony Well-Known Member

    That's all well and good if you want every appearance by your president (doesn't matter which party) to be a shouting match between protesters and supporters. If that's the way you want it, then why would a president even bother to speak in public again?

    Presidential appearances are one of two things: Either a fund-raising event for someone or something; or an appearance set up for him to speak in favor of some kind of organization or project or something else.

    But if you want to presidential appearances to simply be chances for idiots of either side to shout him down, then what's the point? And, no, this is not a free speech issue. Idiots have the right to say what they want on street corners, but not in events organized as fund raisers and such.
     
  5. Ben_Hecht

    Ben_Hecht Active Member

    There are so many easy shots to be taken here, but I'll resist.

    The simple fact that Bubble-Boy's supporters are left to stoop to this sordid level of fantasy/denial speaks volumes.
     
  6. Flying Headbutt

    Flying Headbutt Moderator Staff Member

    Why are you assuming that anyone who doesn't agree with the President will simply shout him down? There are ways to protest and show your feelings without being vocal and audible with it. Unless you're a two-year-old I guess.
     
  7. old_tony

    old_tony Well-Known Member

    Bingo! That is exactly the point. Protesters on the left are always acting like 2-year-olds.
     
  8. Flying Headbutt

    Flying Headbutt Moderator Staff Member

    Always? You're saying someone who disagrees with the president is incapable of attending a speech and letting him finish without making a disturbance? And wearing a tee shirt is not my idea of a disturbance.
     
  9. JR

    JR Well-Known Member

    Old Tony seems to have a problem with the concept of freedom of assembly and freedom of speech.

    And Ben is right. It's like shooting fish in a barrel with Tony.

    It's inches from fascism.
     
  10. JR

    JR Well-Known Member

    And the Quebec Police at the recent summit in Montebello used "agents provocateurs"

    http://www.thestar.com/News/Canada/article/249291

    With the proof caught on video, Quebec provincial police were forced to admit Thursday that three undercover agents were playing the part of protestors at this week’s international summit in Montebello, Que.
     
  11. old_tony

    old_tony Well-Known Member

    And yet you always miss anyway. How bad can you be. Try to use "freedom of assembly" when you insist they let you into a ballgame or hockey game without a ticket. Sportst teams also have their security guards take signs and banners from fans that offend the team's sensibilities.

    But keep trying, junior.
     
  12. JR

    JR Well-Known Member

    Wow, the dumbassery continues.

    Yeah, because a public (hello, public) event by a politician is comparable to going to a baseball game, hockey game, opera, theatre, movie.

    You don't have a clue what "freedom of assembly" means.

    Or democracy for that matter.

    Jesus, you're almost dumber than Yawn.
     
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