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Fred Taylor: Hall of Famer?

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by CD Boogie, Jul 11, 2017.

  1. When was the last time the Disney thing was aired on Tv?
    It was a commercial endorsement that lasted about a decade.
    And if that's a condition for enshrinement John Madden should have been inducted in 1987.

    Roy Green was the best WR in the game in 83-84?

    Simms played 10 games in 91-92 and hung it up after the 93 season.
    He had a pretty good quiver of weapons at his disposal during the Giants peak years, not to mention a solid Oline that produced a good running game.
    Parcels was an offensively conservative coach, and that may have held Simms back, but he was a game manager. Not a passer. And I think Simms is also undercut by Hostettler's succes.

    Marino did a hell of lot more with a hell of lot less for a hell of a lot longer.
    The comtemporaies you are using are among the greatest passers in NFL history! Simms shouldn't be considered in the same sentence with any of them.
    His comtemporaies would be closer to White, Jaws, Lomax and Theisman, who all played in the NFC and are more comparable.



    No way should Simms get in.
     
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  2. Batman

    Batman Well-Known Member

    Not sure if it's waxed and waned over the years, but I know they had it as recently as Super Bowl XLIX.
     
  3. outofplace

    outofplace Well-Known Member

    Joe Morris was short, not small. He played at 195 pounds, all of five pounds lighter than Walter Payton.
     
  4. outofplace

    outofplace Well-Known Member

    Roy Green may not have been the best receiver in the game in 1983-84, but he was in the conversation. He caught 78 balls each of those seasons, which doesn't look like much by today's standards, but was still pretty darn good at the time. He led the league with 14 touchdown receptions in 1983 and in receiving yards with 1,555 in '84. He averaged 19.9 yards per catch that season.
     
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  5. cyclingwriter2

    cyclingwriter2 Well-Known Member

    Roy Green was getting a lot of attention from guys like Madden and Pete Axhelm as being the next great receiver after being all pro those two years. Madden even put that in one of his books. Then Green broke down, Jerry Rice came on the scene and Green faded into obscurity.
     
  6. Batman

    Batman Well-Known Member

    And even short isn't a death knell for running backs.
    Barry Sanders is 5-8. Emmitt Smith and Frank Gore are both 5-9. Doesn't seem to have made them suck.
    In fact, out of the top 10 rushers of all time, only two (Eric Dickerson and Jim Brown) are over 6 feet tall.
     
  7. da man

    da man Well-Known Member

    Coaches often prefer short RBs -- low center of gravity, hard to bring down.
     
  8. cyclingwriter2

    cyclingwriter2 Well-Known Member

    Batman,

    That is a true statement. However, my only caveat is that if you look at the other star backs of the 1980s, the majority of them were 6 feet and rising. George Rogers, Marcus allen, John riggins, roger Craig, Ottis Anderson...it was the era of big backs. Payton was 5-10, but he was an expection. Lionel James was also small for the era.

    And that is why I brought up Simms's arsenal. Morris was very good for two years, but he was not what the average team built running games around.
     
  9. hondo

    hondo Well-Known Member

    Taylor had about 6-7 injury free years in a row after 2001 and that injury was when his groin muscle pulled completely off the bone. It wasn't a minor hammie. You guys can read stats can't you?
     
  10. JC

    JC Well-Known Member

    I love when Hondo plays Jaguar defender.
     
  11. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Re: Phil Simms. He's a two-time Super Bowl champion (although the Giants won one of them with Jeff Hostetler, not him), which works in his favor; and his performance in the mid 80s Super Bowl against the Broncos was excellent. But let's be real. His career paralleled the careers of Joe Montana, John Elway, Dan Marino and Jim Kelly. If you put Phil Simms into any sort of serious context, I don't see how his Hall of Fame candidacy gets beyond a short conversation.
     
  12. hondo

    hondo Well-Known Member

    It's not defending when that numbers are staring you in the face. Taylor's reputation for being injury prone was undeserved for the last 60 percent of his career.
     
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