Fox News: Palm Trees in Madison, WI

MonsterLobster · Mar 2, 2011

TigerVols said:

As one of the board's most wingnut of liberals, I hate to drop a turd in this punch bowl...

BUT...

I have a good friend who spent 6-7 years inside the heart of Fox News, running control rooms of some of their biggest shows. He tells me that he was surrounded by interns and fresh-out-of-college kids who barely knew their head from their ass, but they were inexpensive and thus were employed by a notoriously cheap company. He says that almost all of the on-screen errors (lower thirds/chyrons and broll like from the clip above) can be traced back NOT to some conservative agenda on the part of the Fox employees, but more to their inexperience and inability while working under a notoriously tight and hectic deadline.

He said the line staff of the shows -- the bulk of the people responsible for what you actually see on air -- couldn't care less about the politics that the hosts were spouting. As an anecdotal example, he cited the huge stack of conservative magazines and newspapers that were regularly delivered to the newsroom and break rooms -- all of which sat unread, week after week.

Guests? Hosts? Senior producers? Network execs? Yep -- all very right wing. But the staff in general, not so much.
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This is exactly what I had been assuming for years.

TigerVols · Mar 2, 2011

MonsterLobster said:

TigerVols said:

As one of the board's most wingnut of liberals, I hate to drop a turd in this punch bowl...

BUT...

I have a good friend who spent 6-7 years inside the heart of Fox News, running control rooms of some of their biggest shows. He tells me that he was surrounded by interns and fresh-out-of-college kids who barely knew their head from their ass, but they were inexpensive and thus were employed by a notoriously cheap company. He says that almost all of the on-screen errors (lower thirds/chyrons and broll like from the clip above) can be traced back NOT to some conservative agenda on the part of the Fox employees, but more to their inexperience and inability while working under a notoriously tight and hectic deadline.

He said the line staff of the shows -- the bulk of the people responsible for what you actually see on air -- couldn't care less about the politics that the hosts were spouting. As an anecdotal example, he cited the huge stack of conservative magazines and newspapers that were regularly delivered to the newsroom and break rooms -- all of which sat unread, week after week.

Guests? Hosts? Senior producers? Network execs? Yep -- all very right wing. But the staff in general, not so much.
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This is exactly what I had been assuming for years.
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BTW, forgot to mention one key perk to working with cheapo interns that my friend talked about: The interns were almost always hot blondes with great racks.

The Big Ragu · Mar 2, 2011

TigerVols said:

As one of the board's most wingnut of liberals, I hate to drop a turd in this punch bowl...

BUT...

I have a good friend who spent 6-7 years inside the heart of Fox News, running control rooms of some of their biggest shows. He tells me that he was surrounded by interns and fresh-out-of-college kids who barely knew their head from their ass, but they were inexpensive and thus were employed by a notoriously cheap company. He says that almost all of the on-screen errors (lower thirds/chyrons and broll like from the clip above) can be traced back NOT to some conservative agenda on the part of the Fox employees, but more to their inexperience and inability while working under a notoriously tight and hectic deadline.

He said the line staff of the shows -- the bulk of the people responsible for what you actually see on air -- couldn't care less about the politics that the hosts were spouting. As an anecdotal example, he cited the huge stack of conservative magazines and newspapers that were regularly delivered to the newsroom and break rooms -- all of which sat unread, week after week.

Guests? Hosts? Senior producers? Network execs? Yep -- all very right wing. But the staff in general, not so much.
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See, but when you put aside the nonsensical, "liberal" or "conservative" stuff, which really just amounts to people rooting for mythical teams, it still makes Fox News a joke. Whether it is for putting it on the air with no idealogical reason or because they allow inexperienced kids to control what gets on the air.

MonsterLobster · Mar 2, 2011

TigerVols said:

MonsterLobster said:

TigerVols said:

As one of the board's most wingnut of liberals, I hate to drop a turd in this punch bowl...

BUT...

I have a good friend who spent 6-7 years inside the heart of Fox News, running control rooms of some of their biggest shows. He tells me that he was surrounded by interns and fresh-out-of-college kids who barely knew their head from their ass, but they were inexpensive and thus were employed by a notoriously cheap company. He says that almost all of the on-screen errors (lower thirds/chyrons and broll like from the clip above) can be traced back NOT to some conservative agenda on the part of the Fox employees, but more to their inexperience and inability while working under a notoriously tight and hectic deadline.

He said the line staff of the shows -- the bulk of the people responsible for what you actually see on air -- couldn't care less about the politics that the hosts were spouting. As an anecdotal example, he cited the huge stack of conservative magazines and newspapers that were regularly delivered to the newsroom and break rooms -- all of which sat unread, week after week.

Guests? Hosts? Senior producers? Network execs? Yep -- all very right wing. But the staff in general, not so much.
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This is exactly what I had been assuming for years.
Click to expand...

BTW, forgot to mention one key perk to working with cheapo interns that my friend talked about: The interns were almost always hot blondes with great racks.
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This is exactly what I fantasized about for years.

deskslave · Mar 2, 2011

TigerVols said:

As one of the board's most wingnut of liberals, I hate to drop a turd in this punch bowl...

BUT...

I have a good friend who spent 6-7 years inside the heart of Fox News, running control rooms of some of their biggest shows. He tells me that he was surrounded by interns and fresh-out-of-college kids who barely knew their head from their ass, but they were inexpensive and thus were employed by a notoriously cheap company. He says that almost all of the on-screen errors (lower thirds/chyrons and broll like from the clip above) can be traced back NOT to some conservative agenda on the part of the Fox employees, but more to their inexperience and inability while working under a notoriously tight and hectic deadline.

He said the line staff of the shows -- the bulk of the people responsible for what you actually see on air -- couldn't care less about the politics that the hosts were spouting. As an anecdotal example, he cited the huge stack of conservative magazines and newspapers that were regularly delivered to the newsroom and break rooms -- all of which sat unread, week after week.

Guests? Hosts? Senior producers? Network execs? Yep -- all very right wing. But the staff in general, not so much.
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You'd think if that were true, though, that there'd be a bit more, pardon the word choice, balance in the mistakes. Though I suppose it's possible that the mistakes that provide evidence of their bias would attract more attention.

PCLoadLetter · Mar 2, 2011

For what it's worth...

I've worked in TV for a long time. There's little doubt in my mind that the typical Fox "accident" -- the Larry Craig, (D) Idaho type stuff -- really is a mistake. That's the result of a writer or graphics operator making $6.50 an hour that doesn't know and probably doesn't care. I had a writer who identified our governor as a Republican, and when she was told the governor is a Democrat she said "Oops! Guessed wrong!" And that's in a top 15 market.

This one, though? This makes no sense as an accident. If it was a $6.50 an hour editor cutting the video and editing the wrong stuff, that editor is going to cut video of this week's Wisconsin protest, because that's the easiest and most obvious video for that spot. Someone made the intentional call to use union guys throwing punches. That either came from the reporter or producer, and either way, that person knew exactly what they were doing.

The lower-level employees aren't driven by the company agenda -- but the producers, reporters and anchors are. A friend was once an up-and-coming bureau chief for Fox. He quit because he was tired of tailoring his reporting to match the orders in the daily management memo. And, for the record, he is a staunch Republican who found the operation incredibly chickenshit.

Magic In The Night · Mar 2, 2011

I just want to know: Does this mean global warming isn't a hoax?

BrianGriffin · Mar 3, 2011

PCLoadLetter said:

For what it's worth...

I've worked in TV for a long time. There's little doubt in my mind that the typical Fox "accident" -- the Larry Craig, (D) Idaho type stuff -- really is a mistake. That's the result of a writer or graphics operator making $6.50 an hour that doesn't know and probably doesn't care. I had a writer who identified our governor as a Republican, and when she was told the governor is a Democrat she said "Oops! Guessed wrong!" And that's in a top 15 market.

This one, though? This makes no sense as an accident. If it was a $6.50 an hour editor cutting the video and editing the wrong stuff, that editor is going to cut video of this week's Wisconsin protest, because that's the easiest and most obvious video for that spot. Someone made the intentional call to use union guys throwing punches. That either came from the reporter or producer, and either way, that person knew exactly what they were doing.

The lower-level employees aren't driven by the company agenda -- but the producers, reporters and anchors are. A friend was once an up-and-coming bureau chief for Fox. He quit because he was tired of tailoring his reporting to match the orders in the daily management memo. And, for the record, he is a staunch Republican who found the operation incredibly chickenshit.
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This. I'm not a Fox fan, but I'm trying to be open minded about this particular instance. And for the life I me, I have a hard time imagining a scenario where you "accidentally" do something that is so wrong, but matches in convenient ways. It wasn't like they, by mistake, showed footage of a Panda in a zoo in China. No, they "by mistake" found footage of a protest ... just the wrong protest.

It could be an innocent mistake, BUT...

Starman · Mar 3, 2011

It's not.

This bullshit false equivalence is preposterous.

Fox does not deserve the "presumption of innocence." They have pulled this shit again and again and again and again.

Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me; fool me 327 times, I must be a goddamn idiot.

There is no need to "try to be open-minded about it."

Fox is nothing more or less than a full-throttle propaganda outlet.

FOX LIES.

slappy4428 · Mar 3, 2011

Starman said:

It's not.

This bullshit false equivalence is preposterous.

Fox does not deserve the "presumption of innocence." They have pulled this shit again and again and again and again.

Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me; fool me 327 times, I must be a goddamn idiot.

There is no need to "try to be open-minded about it."

Fox is nothing more or less than a full-throttle propaganda outlet.

FOX LIES.
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Yet, those who follow Faux News don't care -- like my parents in Minnesota who say Wisconsin's problems are the unions' fault

Shaggy · Mar 3, 2011

Was that the 1992 Los Angeles Riots? Are they going to interview Rodney King tomorrow night about collective bargaining?

spikechiquet · Mar 3, 2011

There seemed to be a wipe in the video (28 secs or so)...indicating that someone caught the error mid-play and switched video from the violent stuff to a guy in a hat.

Anyone else see this?

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