football stats questions

On a TD, give a first down IF THE FIRST-DOWN MARKER WAS PASSED ON THE PLAY in HS or college ball (the NFL now grants a first down on all TDs, even if it was a goal-to-go situation).

So, FB, were all of those one-play drives in the 54-0 game scored on goal-to-go situations? Otherwise, the number of first downs should be closer to 15.

(the 1940 Bears-Skins game might have used the now-archaic belief that a first down is not given on any touchdown ... only when the team lines up first-and-10).

ON PENALTIES ...

If the penalty is assessed BEYOND the line of scrimmage (e.g., LOS is the -30, penalty is assessed from the -35 back to the -25), it's scored as a 5-yard run for the RB, then a 10-yard penalty. It *does* count as a carry (that hasn't always been the case).

If the penalty is assessed BEHIND the LOS on the OFFENSE (e.g., LOS is the -30, flag is thrown at the -23 and the penalty is assessed back to the -13), *all* of the yardage is penalty yardage, so it's a 17-yard penalty.

 

Interesting distinction, Crimson. Does that hold for the NFL, college and high school?

 

well, I had always been told that on a hold it doesn't count as a carry because you replay the down, essentially meaning no play took place. Of course, that could very well be wrong, meaning I've always done it wrong.

 

Up until a couple of years ago, holding penalties behind the line of scrimmage were spot fouls and stepped off from the point of infraction, meaning a team could loose 12, 14, 17 yards. I'm glad that rule was changed.

 

If you've got it wrong, then I've got it wrong, too. You can't charge someone for a rush attempt when still they have to replay the down. But the yards are there because they factor into the penalty.

 

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If you've got it wrong, then I've got it wrong, too. You can't charge someone for a rush attempt when still they have to replay the down. But the yards are there because they factor into the penalty.
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Good, I'm glad I'm not the only one. By that logic, then if the rusher is stopped behind the line, then you'd also have to credit him with a loss and tack the penalty yards on. Maybe that's right, but it just doesn't make sense to me.

 

I agree with the logic, but the NCAA stats manual was revised a couple of years ago to give the runner a carry on the play, even if the down is replayed.

It only comes into play on downfield holding calls in college/pro ball. In HS ball, holding penalties are still always marched from the point of the foul, so you can have a 2-yard run and a 10-yard penalty (if assessed +2 from the LOS), or a 12-yard penalty (if assessed -2 from the LOS).

 

Try 10 yards.

First-and-goal means goal equals a first down/touchdown.