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Football Rules Hypothetical

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Point of Order, Sep 30, 2010.

  1. Point of Order

    Point of Order Active Member

    Team A has backed up inside its own one-yard line. In fact, the back tip of the ball is just six inches from the chalk on the goal line. Team a runs a play from scrimmage and loses 7 inches on the play.

    Question: Is this a safety?

    Argument 1: If any part of the ball touches any part of the goal line then it's a safety. Thus, safety.

    Argument 2: The forward-most point of the ball from the offense's perspective is measuring spot. In the case of a lost-yardage play, the whole ball must behind the plane of the goal line for a safety to be ruled. Thus, in the hypothetical above, no safety.

    ** Bonus points for citing your work.
  2. TheSportsPredictor

    TheSportsPredictor Well-Known Member

    Argument 2 is correct. Citation: my memory.
  3. MileHigh

    MileHigh Moderator Staff Member

    No. 2 is correct. Entire ball must be behind the plane of the goal line for a safety. Citation: I ref high school football.
  4. RickStain

    RickStain Well-Known Member

    Depends on who the league wants to win, and if the refs have money on the game.
  5. HandsomeHarley

    HandsomeHarley Well-Known Member

    Ding, ding, ding. There's your answer.
  6. Football_Bat

    Football_Bat Well-Known Member

    Realistically speaking, though, the ball would probably never be spotted straddling the goal line. The referee would either give a generous placement in front of the line or would call a safety. I've seen a lot of football and have never seen the ball spotted where it lies across the goal line.
  7. HandsomeHarley

    HandsomeHarley Well-Known Member

    I've always wondered why, with the ball on the 1, a false start isn't a safety. The penalty itself happened in the end zone.
  8. Matt1735

    Matt1735 Well-Known Member

    the plane of the goal line is the front edge of the line... which means going in (for a touchdown) you only have to cross to be in... and coming out (to avoid a safety) you have to be completely out.

    That is a safety. I'm 100 percent sure.
  9. RickStain

    RickStain Well-Known Member

    Professor Google says that for a safety, any part of the ball on the goal line is fine (edit: fine for the defense, in case that was ambiguous). The ball must be completely out for it to be avoided.
  10. bydesign77

    bydesign77 Active Member

    Honestly, you'd never see that. At least not in any of my games. We're calling a safety.

    And the reason a false start isn't a safety is it is enforced from the previous spot, not the point of infraction.
  11. DanOregon

    DanOregon Well-Known Member

    Okay - here's a question. Say the ball's nose is peeking out over the goal line as previously describe and in the unlikely chance that Team A goes for it on 4th down and there is an incomplete pass resulting in a change of possesion at the original spot. Touchdown for the team taking possession?
  12. MileHigh

    MileHigh Moderator Staff Member

    You'll never see it. The ball will be placed completely out of the end zone. Never on the goal line.
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