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Evaluating Teachers is Hard Work

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by YankeeFan, Dec 23, 2013.

  1. Starman

    Starman Well-Known Member

    You even read your own links, or has all that crappucino leaked into your brain?


    Fuckin' slacker goldbrickers, thinking maybe it might not be the best idea to send tens of thousands of kids out into -10F temperatures. Union leeches.
     
  2. Starman

    Starman Well-Known Member

    And Michigan and Ohio and much of Indiana. Must be those slacker unions again.
     
  3. waterytart

    waterytart Active Member

    YF has reached the point where there is no measurable time lapse between a teachers' union stating a position and his opposing it. If the teachers are opposed to kids getting frostbite, then frostbite must be just what the kids need.
     
  4. cranberry

    cranberry Well-Known Member

    Randi Weingarten has been pretty clear on the issue....

    http://www.newrepublic.com/article/112746/gates-foundation-sponsored-effective-teaching

    http://www.aft.org/newspubs/press/2010/011210.cfm

    http://www.aft.org/issues/teaching/evaluation.cfm

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/20/opinion/from-randi-weingarten-evaluating-teachers.html

    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/teachers-union-supports-member-evaluations-based-test-scores/story?id=9542046
     
  5. old_tony

    old_tony Well-Known Member

    "Professionals" don't ask "how high?" when union leaders say "Jump!"
     
  6. outofplace

    outofplace Well-Known Member

    Ah. So it's about you hating unions. Got it.
     
  7. doctorquant

    doctorquant Well-Known Member

    Although 93Devil has nailed me dead-to-rights re: my fraudulent academic persona, to keep up the façade I read the Chronicle of Higher Education regularly. This story (linked below, but it's behind a paywall) regarding the aftermath of the UNC-CH academic/athletics fraud does speak to some of the dynamics in play in this "evaluation of teachers" discussion. In my experience, educators tend to be very resistant to any form of evaluation that is not of their own design or making. I think there's probably a lot of wisdom underpinning that resistance, but there's a downside to it as well: The insularity it leads to makes for some pretty traumatic adjustments from time to time.

    http://chronicle.com/article/Professors-in-Classroom-on/143813/
     
  8. cranberry

    cranberry Well-Known Member

    Which is exactly why teachers need to be involved in the development of the evaluation process.
     
  9. doctorquant

    doctorquant Well-Known Member

    I don't think anyone's saying teachers shouldn't be involved in that process. What I am struck by, however, is the reaction to suggestions that involve the teachers being less involved, relatively speaking, in that process.
     
  10. Starman

    Starman Well-Known Member

    if teachers are going to be evaluated, sooner or later somebody has got to do it. This whole thread exists as a manifestation of right-wing huffing that somebody is getting paid to do it, since according to their belief system no public employee should ever get paid to do anything.
    Like the overwhelming majority of the righty plans to reform everything, their plan is predicated on somebody being forced to do a shitload of work for nothing.

    Need teachers evaluated, no biggie, you can just have administrators do it in their spare time.
     
  11. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    Under the new system, it takes up 10% of her time, including all the paperwork, and meetings.

    And, apparently, that's a burden.

    What percentage of time do you think would be appropriate?
     
  12. 93Devil

    93Devil Well-Known Member

    Teachers are being evaluated. It's disingenuous and misleading to say they are not being evaluated. How do you think teachers are fired or not rehired?

    Name some industries that embrace outside organizations evaluating it. I'll wait.

    And comparing the college environment to the public school environment is like comparing winters in Canada to winters in Florida. I'll make a list of differences if it is needed.
     
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