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ESPN's Top 100 MLB Players of All Time

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Gehrig, Dec 11, 2012.

  1. Double Down

    Double Down Well-Known Member

    Pujols? Didn't see him yet.
     
  2. Gehrig

    Gehrig Active Member

    Walter Johnson was clocked 2 different times with a gravity drop recorder on this fastball. Due to his low sidearm delivery, he had to stand 75 feet away. They estimated him to throw at 95.1 Mph in 1912 and 93.4 in 1917. Johnson was not adequately warmed up for this test and he had to throw the ball at a shoulder level, a level that he wasn't too comfortable with. He was also clocked at 99.7 using the same motorcycle test that Bob Feller did. Based on this, I believe that Walter Johnson in his prime was somewhere in the 97-99 mph. Bob Feller easily over 100 mph and is said to have the 2nd fastest fastball ever(behind Nolan Ryan). However, Walter Johnson had pinpoint control. And just was important, his sidearm delivery was very difficult to hit

    On another note, Christy Mathewson was tested with the same device in 1917 when his arm was already fried. Mathewson was clocked at 88.6. Mathewson's arm actually started failing him in 1914 when he had an ERA+ of 88, down 64 points from his league leading ERA+ of 152 the year before. Mathewson's ERA+ the last 3 years of his career(1914-1916) was a pitiful 82. I believe that Christy Mathewson threw somewhere around 94-95 in his prime.
     
  3. Mizzougrad96

    Mizzougrad96 Active Member

    Slapping head. :D
     
  4. MankyJimy

    MankyJimy Active Member

    You're telling me that pitchers from 100+ years ago threw just as hard as modern pitchers? No way. A four minute mile was once considered impossible now it's commonplace. So how can it be that the human body hasn't also evolved to throw faster fastballs?
     
  5. Armchair_QB

    Armchair_QB Well-Known Member

    Well, if we're going with drug cheats, I haven't seen Ryan Braun's name yet.
     
  6. Mizzougrad96

    Mizzougrad96 Active Member

    Aaron
    Mays
    Henderson
    Clemens
    R. Johnson
    W. Johnson
    Maddux
    Pujols
    A-Rod
    Seaver
    Cobb
    Ruth
    Gehrig
    Mantle
    T. Williams
    F. Robinson
    Cy Young
    Wagner
    Bonds
    Schmidt
    Anson
    Musial
    Hornsby
    Speaker

    I think I'm forgetting one person... Although, it's possible I missed one on the list...
     
  7. Boom_70

    Boom_70 Well-Known Member

    Cy Young will be the top Pitcher. Also in top 25 Bonds/ Clemens / A Rod which makes things interesting.

    At first glance Gary Sheffield was glaring omission in top 125 but further study shows it now makes sense.
     
  8. heyabbott

    heyabbott Well-Known Member

    Again, any list that doesn't have Babe Ruth #1 is Bull Shit. Name another player who won an ERA title and Batting Crown and Home Run title?

    10 times Ruth had an OPS+ over 200, Hank Aaron never did it once.

    Aaron broke the all time HR needing about 2,500 more plate appearances. Not to denigrate Hank Aaron, but it's not fair to compare Ruth to any other baseball player. He's that much better.
     
  9. qtlaw

    qtlaw Well-Known Member

    The coolest thing about Frank Robinson is that in high school he kept Bill Freakin' Russell on the (basketball) bench. Imagine that.
     
  10. Gehrig

    Gehrig Active Member

    I made my own top 75 players of all-time and this is what I came up. *Does not contain pitchers. *I included Negro League Players.

    1. Babe Ruth
    2. Ty Cobb
    3. Willie Mays
    4. Honus Wagner
    5. Ted Williams
    6. Hank Aaron
    7. Mickey Mantle
    8. Tris Speaker
    9. Lou Gehrig
    10. Rogers Hornsby
    11. Stan Musial
    12. Barry Bonds
    13. Joe DiMaggio
    14. Oscar Charleston
    15. Mike Schmidt
    16. Josh Gibson
    17. Eddie Collins
    18. Alexander Rodriguez
    19. Frank Robinson
    20. Jimmie Foxx
    21. Joe Morgan
    22. Rickey Henderson
    23. Nap Lajoie
    24. Johnny Bench
    25. Mel Ott
    26. John (Pop) Lloyd
    27. George Brett
    28. Eddie Mathews
    29. Yogi Berra
    30. Jackie Robinson
    31. Carl Yastrzemski
    32. Arky Vaughan
    33. Buck Ewing
    34. Dan Brouthers
    35. Al Kaline
    36. Cal Ripken
    37. Reggie Jackson
    38. Cap Anson
    39. Ken Griffey, Jr.
    40. Johnny Mize
    41. Turkey Stearns
    42. Hank Greenberg
    43. Mike Piazza
    44. Ed Delahanty
    45. Al Pujols
    46. Pete Rose
    47. Charlie Gehringer
    48. Roberto Clemente
    49. Robin Yount
    50. Sam Crawford
    51. Frank Thomas
    52. Wade Boggs
    53. Jeff Bagwell
    54. Joe Jackson
    55. Mickey Cochrane
    56. George Davis
    57. Duke Snider
    58. Roger Connor
    59. Paul Waner
    60. Manny Ramirez
    61. Willie McCovey
    62. George Sisler
    63. Roy Campanella
    64. Chipper Jones
    65. Rod Carew
    66. Tony Gwynn
    67. Harmon Killebrew
    68. Eddie Murray
    69. Craig Biggio
    70. Gary Carter
    71. Al Simmons
    72. Luke Appling
    73. Ernie Banks
    74. Derek Jeter
    75. Cool Papa Bell
     
  11. Gehrig

    Gehrig Active Member

    Yes, I know some people will disagree with the list.
     
  12. Michael_ Gee

    Michael_ Gee Well-Known Member

    It's a fine list, Gehrig. Of course I disagree with some of it, but hell, if you're arguing about whether somebody is the 11th or 8th best ballplayer ever, you're arguing fine points of theology, not baseball history.
     
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