ESPN's Black Power & SigR Idiocy

Boomer7 · Jul 31, 2008

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friend of the friendless said:

No. 7

Boomer7 said:

friend of the friendless said:

Overnights put it at 4-million+. Factor in replays, Tivos, highlights and Youtube.

Actuarily, if you don't think the audience from '68 is dying off, you missed Peter Norman's passing. And Al Oerter's. And those who brought you the Games, McKay, Arledge, Cosell, and others. Forty years is a long time.
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I'll factor in replays, TiVos, YouTubes and highlights. And you can factor in all the times that clip or still photo of them was shown on the news in 1968; the ratings hardly reflect how many people would have seen it, correct? Also, keep in mind the image has been shown in various media in the last 40 years. I was born in '76, yet I knew all about Smith and Carlos' protest as a kid.
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I envy you your youth but little else. You "knew all about Smith and Carlos' protest as a kid"? You saw the image ... don't mistake that for knowledge. That's not so far removed from Stuart Scott. Lord, forgive them, they know not what they're talking about. You're just guessing at what events in Mexico City and the reaction were like back in '68.

YD&OHS, etc
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Well, at least you're not overreacting to a misplaced "all" on my part by being condescending and melodramatic. (Paraphrasing Christ on the cross? Seriously?) However old you are, grow up.

jgmacg · Jul 31, 2008

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SigR said:

As a sports journalist, you've chosen a rather shallow profession.
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I got into it for the free T-shirts and hotel towels. Is that so wrong?

Boom_70 · Jul 31, 2008

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buckweaver said:

Boom_70 said:

buckweaver said:

Boom, I'm pretty sure neither of them thought they were "validating their lives"(!) with this appearance. Just a hunch, though.
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Well if you read through some of the posts here it's been suggested.
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What I read suggested that they accepted some kind of "lifetime achievement" awards.

That's a far cry from appearing at the show in order to "validate their lives," which is a desperate plea of insecurity if I've ever heard one.
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Hey Buck how old were you in 1968?

buckweaver · Jul 31, 2008

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Negative-14. ;D

Don't throw the youth card at me; you've tried to do that before and failed. Just because you were alive for an event doesn't make someone an expert on it. (And I'm not claiming to be one on this subject, either.)

How old were you for it, just out of curiosity?

Grimace · Jul 31, 2008

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I don't get it.

It's the 40th anniversary of a memorable sports/olympic moment.
It's an Olympic year.
The ESPYs, for better or worse, are the main yearly sports awards show.

What's the problem?

writing irish · Jul 31, 2008

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This is a weird fucking thread.

Sig, there are plenty of individualist anarchist discussion boards on teh interweb. You'd probably have a better time over there. If I read your posts correctly, you seem to be from the "neither left nor right" sub-current of anarchist thought.

writing irish · Jul 31, 2008

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The Big Ragu said:

The Stuart Scott nonsense is a side issue that shouldn't detract from the fact that Smith and Carlos made a powerful political statement at an important time in our racial history, and it caught a lot of people's attention and made them think. What they did was not idiocy. It was a political statement, with symbolic gestures meant to represent black poverty in the U.S., a growing black pride movement, a symbol to honor blacks lynched and hung, and a general statement about how fed up with their plight many blacks were at the time. I was less than three months old, but knowing what I know about our racial history, I certainly can't call what they did idiocy or try to detract from it with a smoke screen like Goldberg's. From what I understand, Carlos was something of a follower, but Smith is a bright, very socially aware person. He later said, "If I win, I am American, not a black American. But if I did something bad, then they would say I am a Negro. We are black and we are proud of being black. Black America will understand what we did tonight." How can anyone looking back on the mid and late 60s blame him for seeing things that way?
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Ragu nailed it way back on the third post.

friend of the friendless · Jul 31, 2008

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No. 7

Boomer7 said:

friend of the friendless said:

No. 7

Boomer7 said:

friend of the friendless said:

Overnights put it at 4-million+. Factor in replays, Tivos, highlights and Youtube.

Actuarily, if you don't think the audience from '68 is dying off, you missed Peter Norman's passing. And Al Oerter's. And those who brought you the Games, McKay, Arledge, Cosell, and others. Forty years is a long time.
Click to expand...

I'll factor in replays, TiVos, YouTubes and highlights. And you can factor in all the times that clip or still photo of them was shown on the news in 1968; the ratings hardly reflect how many people would have seen it, correct? Also, keep in mind the image has been shown in various media in the last 40 years. I was born in '76, yet I knew all about Smith and Carlos' protest as a kid.
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I envy you your youth but little else. You "knew all about Smith and Carlos' protest as a kid"? You saw the image ... don't mistake that for knowledge. That's not so far removed from Stuart Scott. Lord, forgive them, they know not what they're talking about. You're just guessing at what events in Mexico City and the reaction were like back in '68.

YD&OHS, etc
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Well, at least you're not overreacting to a misplaced "all" on my part by being condescending and melodramatic. (Paraphrasing Christ on the cross? Seriously?) However old you are, grow up.
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"I knew all" is the most revealing phrase you've typed so far. Please tell me more about '68. I'm eager to learn, even in my dotage. Such bright young things like you bring sunshine to the issues and my day.

YD&OHS, etc

The Big Ragu · Jul 31, 2008

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OK. OK. Pipe down hippie. Don't you have any shallow things to do?

JR · Jul 31, 2008

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When it comes to 1968, FoF and I are from the "You've never played the game" school of history.

Our friend must just have finished a 100,000 word manuscript because he's being awfully frisky.

friend of the friendless · Jul 31, 2008

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Mr Ragu

The Big Ragu said:

OK. OK. Pipe down hippie. Don't you have any shallow things to do?
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Honestly, I'm spellbound by youth. I've got my notebook out. Please teach me all about 1968. I mean, I went to meets that featured athletes from '68. I was about 15 feet away from Ralph Doubell when he tore his achilles in what turned out to be his last race. I talked with Willie Davenport at another meet. I took an informed interest in track but I know that the later generations can get me up to speed on things I missed when I was there--they saw the highlights! And they know all the context!

And Mr R,

My hi-grade Geritol just arrived.

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buckweaver · Jul 31, 2008

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friend of the friendless said:

I took an informed interest in track but I know that the later generations can get me up to speed on things I missed when I was there--they saw the highlights! And they know all the context!
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:-\

I'm going to bite my tongue. But I am really dismayed by the "you weren't alive, so you can't KNOW" card. Y'all are better than this. I mean that.

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