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ESPN Investigation: The Toledo point-shaving case

Discussion in 'Journalism topics only' started by earlyentry, Aug 29, 2007.

  1. earlyentry

    earlyentry Member

    Hey guys. I'm not halfway into this investigated piece, but it's certainly an eye-opener, including a mention of La Cosa Nostra. Have any of you read this yet? What are your thoughts?

    According to federal documents, FBI agents observed Manni in December 2005 meeting with Toledo players at a downtown Detroit restaurant before the group ventured over to the VIP section at Greektown Casino. The members-only Pantheon Lounge in the casino is in a back corner on the second floor, near the $2,000 blackjack tables. A hostess described membership in the lounge as being for serious bettors, telling ESPN.com, "We're looking for a minimum $7,500 [wagered] over the last six months.

    On a wiretap at about the same time, investigators claim to have heard McDougle telling Manni he could recruit players to help him win money on Toledo's GMAC Bowl game against UTEP, which was played Dec. 21, 2005, in Mobile, Ala. In that wiretapped conversation, according to the criminal complaint against McDougle, the player also asked Manni to place a $2,000 bet for him on the game.
  2. mustangj17

    mustangj17 Active Member

    Call it an unfair generalization if you will, but as the story says. The Chaldeans like to gamble.

    dont believe manni
  3. Double Down

    Double Down Well-Known Member

    My thoughts are, I hate it when people ask me to comment on a story and don't provide a link.
  4. loveyabye

    loveyabye Guest


    It is way, way too long for providing almost no new info. The only news is that they are accusing the QB without providing any sources on it.
  5. earlyentry

    earlyentry Member

    It's too long and you almost lose your way within the piece.
  6. slappy4428

    slappy4428 Active Member

    FBI arrested a buddy of mine two years ago in this case.
    They had arrested a lower end bookie and he rolled over on my buddy Moose, bragging about how important he was. Moose got arrested, they did a little bit of digging and found that my buddy was not even close to being this guy -- other than laying the occasional bet off on him.
    Moose got a slap on the wrist and didnt know who they were looking for -- until they arrested the bigger fish. The Little Fish also got more of a sentence than bargained for because his plea agreement was contingent on him rolling over on the right guy. Oops.
    Things like this are why I dont bet with a bookie
  7. goalmouth

    goalmouth Well-Known Member

    Long on words, short on news. And, they couldn't find a few bucks for a shooter? Fish had to take the Toledo campus shots himself. I wonder if he earned extra coin for that.
  8. Jack_Kerouac

    Jack_Kerouac Member

    That pretty much sums up everything Mike Fish has ever done. Very long, little info.
  9. Songbird

    Songbird Well-Known Member

    As a heavy bettor (not as much anymore), I still say, believe in my gut, that Toledo threw the game against Buffalo a few years ago. Oh, Toledo won, but didn't cover a game they should've won 58-2. I lost what would've been a huge exacta payoff. I am not surprised by this whatsoever.
  10. sportsed

    sportsed Member

    Dear Jack,

    Don't know who you are. Probably wouldn't know if you told me. Perhaps you'd say the same about me if either of us wasn't cloaked here in semi-anonymity. But I have had the great pleasure to work with some of the best journalists in the business today, and I'd count Mike Fish right there at the top with them.

    I suppose anyone and everyone whoever puts byline to a story is open to criticism, which makes Fish open game, I guess. But while you may not like or appreciate ever a word he has written, I'd put the full body of his career's work up against yours, site unseen.

    That's not a knock on you, but it sure as hell is a ringing endorsement of Mike Fish.
  11. Walter Burns

    Walter Burns Member

    Here's a story that's shorter but contains more new information:

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