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Education spending equals 0.075 correlation to SAT results

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by printit, Mar 26, 2014.

  1. printit

    printit Member


    This pretty much kills the, "well, if we funded the schools better, we would get better results" argument.
  2. LongTimeListener

    LongTimeListener Well-Known Member

    Totally, because the Cato Institute is nothing if not objective.

    Don't worry. The destruction of public education, at the behest of people who choose not to take part in it in the first place, is well on its way.
  3. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    Is there a single word in there about the methodology of the study? If so, I can't find it. They have that section that tells us that it can be summed up in "one word" or "one number" or whatever they say. In other words, the ol' "trust us" argument.

    Did they control for factors like family income, neighborhood crime rates, etc., etc.? Or are we just comparing the South Side of Chicago to the New Trier district straight up here and pretending that spending on students is the only factor worth including in the study?
  4. Mizzougrad96

    Mizzougrad96 Active Member

    I would argue that the SAT measures intelligence more than what you've learned, unless you're studying specifically for the test.

    My Honors English teacher my junior year gave us vocabulary tests every week of words that were frequently used on the SATs. It was probably the only thing I learned in my final three years of high school that helped my SAT score. If I'm not mistaken, a very high percentage of the math on the test is Geometry on down. I took geometry as a high school freshman and most college-bound high schoolers have finished it by the time they're sophomores.
  5. Mizzougrad96

    Mizzougrad96 Active Member

    The SAT measures knowledge in all of two subjects, therefore would be the worst example to cite for this study.
  6. micropolitan guy

    micropolitan guy Well-Known Member

    Well then, I guess we can slice the DOD budget in half now, since spending has no correlation to quality.
  7. printit

    printit Member

    The summary on page 1 indicates they, "us(e) a time series regression approach described in a separate publication". They then point out they adjust state SAT scores for things like participation rate and student demographics.
    I'm not going to pretend Cato doesn't lean right on some things (OK, many things), but it's kind of a cheap shot to just assume they are dumb (or dishonest) enough to compare "the South Side of Chicago to the New Trier district straight up here"
  8. RickStain

    RickStain Well-Known Member

    It really doesn't.
  9. printit

    printit Member

    You know, that's not my take away from this. I wouldn't look at this and advocate pulling one dime. I would tie future increases to systemic changes that almost everyone knows need to be made.
  10. printit

    printit Member

    I'll bite. Why? How?
  11. RickStain

    RickStain Well-Known Member

    It's one study coming up with one number under one set of assumptions and parameters. Extrapolating that to such a broad, massive conclusion is a bit overambitious.
  12. LongTimeListener

    LongTimeListener Well-Known Member

    You should be aware that FIRE TEACHERS!!! is YankeeFan's copyright, and the royalties for it can run steep.
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