Donald Trump: Should We Take Him Seriously? (Now leads 2012 GOP Field by 9%)

YankeeFan · Apr 8, 2011

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Inky_Wretch said:

Except, you know, those claims have been refuted to the point that the birther issue is inarguable among the sane.
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Yeah, for a guy who's made birtherism his cause, he seems very unaware that most of his talking points have already been proven wrong.

Stoney · Apr 9, 2011

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YankeeFan said:

Donald's money is tied up in real estate and the various partnerships and companies that own individual properties.
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Man, it'd be great to see some honest disclosure of what his financial status actually is. A guy whose wealth is hugely tied up in real estate holdings should've taken a brutal beating these last five years, right?

And I'd LOVE it if he'd actually run, it would be entertaining as holy fucking hell, and IMO would do nothing but damage the Republican brand and help Obama's re-election hopes.

But not for a second do I believe it will actually happen.

HanSenSE · Apr 9, 2011

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Outside of the whole birther thing, which is enough to make me not want to vote for him, what turns me off is I don't think he'd be a good president coming in as an outsider. You can't impose your will in our government structure like you do in business, that's what checks and balances are for.

Ben_Hecht · Apr 9, 2011

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YankeeFan said:

And Gail responds to the Donald:

Although Trump and I have had our differences in the past, I never felt it was personal. In fact, until now, I have refrained from noting that I once got an aggrieved message from him in which he misspelled the word “too.”

But about the letter. You can read it online at nytimes.com/opinion. Mainly, it’s a list of alleged evidence that Barack Obama was not born in the United States. Trump has made this the centerpiece of his faux presidential campaign, falling further and further into the land of the lunatic fringe. I find this a disturbing spectacle — a little like seeing a guy you know from the neighborhood suddenly turn up in the middle of Times Square with his face painted blue and yelling about space aliens.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/09/opinion/09collins.html
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I don't see the point in responding to everything Trump says. You're playing into his hand if you do. Trump will just hit back again, and once you've engaged him, you lose if you quit fighting.

There's no way to come out of it looking good once you've stooped to his level.
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By descending to the level of Trump, you lower yourself to the level of the pig -- and the pig likes it.

He picked the wrong foe, here. On a day-to-day basis, Collins is the most consistently-good OpEd writer on the prevailing NYT roster -- and it's not close.

MrHavercamp · Apr 9, 2011

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Ben_Hecht said:

YankeeFan said:

And Gail responds to the Donald:

Although Trump and I have had our differences in the past, I never felt it was personal. In fact, until now, I have refrained from noting that I once got an aggrieved message from him in which he misspelled the word “too.”

But about the letter. You can read it online at nytimes.com/opinion. Mainly, it’s a list of alleged evidence that Barack Obama was not born in the United States. Trump has made this the centerpiece of his faux presidential campaign, falling further and further into the land of the lunatic fringe. I find this a disturbing spectacle — a little like seeing a guy you know from the neighborhood suddenly turn up in the middle of Times Square with his face painted blue and yelling about space aliens.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/09/opinion/09collins.html
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I don't see the point in responding to everything Trump says. You're playing into his hand if you do. Trump will just hit back again, and once you've engaged him, you lose if you quit fighting.

There's no way to come out of it looking good once you've stooped to his level.
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By descending to the level of Trump, you lower yourself to the level of the pig -- and the pig likes it.

He picked the wrong foe, here. On a day-to-day basis, Collins is the most consistently-good OpEd writer on the prevailing NYT roster -- and it's not close.
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What's that old saying? When you argue with a moron, he drags you down to his level and then beats you with experience.

Smallpotatoes · Apr 9, 2011

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HanSenSE said:

Outside of the whole birther thing, which is enough to make me not want to vote for him, what turns me off is I don't think he'd be a good president coming in as an outsider. You can't impose your will in our government structure like you do in business, that's what checks and balances are for.
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That makes sense. I always get a kick out of it whenever someone says government should be run like a business or that because a politician never ran a business, he's not fit to run the country.
If you're running a business and your subordinates don't do what you want them to do, you can fire them. If you're President and Congress or the Supreme court doesn't do what you want them to do, you can't fire them.

Deeper_Background · Apr 9, 2011

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Donald Trump Writes Blistering Letter To Gail Collins, New York Times Columnist

The Huffington Post Jack Mirkinson Updated: 04/ 9/11 12:26

Donald Trump lashed out at New York Times columnist Gail Collins in a letter to the paper published on Friday.

Trump was responding to a very negative column Collins wrote last Saturday. In the column, Collins derided Trump's presidential aspirations and mocked him as "the man who can make Bill O'Reilly look like the most sensible guy in the room." And, of course, Collins lambasted Trump's full-throated embrace of the "birther" movement. Moreover, she recounted a previous tangle she'd had with Trump:

During one down period, I referred to him in print as a "financially embattled thousandaire" and he sent me a copy of the column with my picture circled and "The Face of a Dog!" written over it.

Clearly, Trump still counts Collins among his major enemies, because he did not hold back in his letter to the editor:

"Even before Gail Collins was with the New York Times, she has written nasty and derogatory articles about me. Actually, I have great respect for Ms. Collins in that she has survived so long with so little talent. Her storytelling ability and word usage (coming from me, who has written many bestsellers), is not at a very high level. More importantly, her facts are wrong!" http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/09/donald-trump-gail-collins-new-york-times_n_847015.html

Mizzougrad96 · Apr 9, 2011

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OK, if there is an election and the following four people are the candidates for President, who would get your vote?

Donald Trump
Sarah Palin
Al Sharpton
Jesse Jackson

Deeper_Background · Apr 9, 2011

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Dont forget US Rep. MIchele Bachmann, she can bring the crazy with the best of them.

Bob Cook · Apr 9, 2011

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Beyond the reality that you can't "run government like a business," Trump is horrible nuts-and-bolts guy who is notable mostly for having others polish his golden turds while he fucks over his investors 10 ways to Sunday. Then again, Rick Scott made his money defrauding the government, and that wasn't enough to keep Floridians from hiring that fox to guard their henhouse. So, yeah, I guess we have to take him seriously, certainly as long as polls show him with half a shot at the nomination.

Smallpotatoes · Apr 9, 2011

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Does Trump really have the education he says he does?
Saying the kind of shit that he's saying, I seriously doubt he graduated from the Wharton School.

The Big Ragu · Apr 9, 2011

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terrier said:

There was a time in Germany when nobody took the silly little guy with the odd mustache seriously, either.
Times like these are when an electorate is most vulnerable to this garbage, particularly Republican voters who aren't thrilled with their choices right now.
We really can't equate Trump to Perot. While that might have been a valid comparison in Trump's earlier flirations with politics, he's chasing the GOP nod this time. Also, he's going hard right in a way he never did before.
Past contributions to Dems? Big deal. Wasn't Reagan a Dem once, too?
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Did you really begin the post with a parallel between Adolf Hitler and Donald Trump?

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