Do you think the health care bill will pass?

A filibuster is a procedure to keep a vote from taking place. What Pelosi is proposing is to keep a vote from taking place. What's the diff?

But the only way they can do it is because the senate already passed a version.

I just don't see how one way around the rules is so much more unpalatable than another. If the senate wouldn't filibuster, I'm sure they'd be happy to let them pass a different version 58-42.

 

But purpose is to provide cover for Reps to be able to say that they did not vote for Senate health care bill.

 

It sounds like Pelosi is pushing it through without a vote.

I know this has been done before, but I doubt on something this big.

 

Man, politicians spend a lot of time fussing over shit no voter cares about or ever will. A public opinion on poll asking people about the "Senate" versus "House" health care bill would probably draw an 87 percent finding of "Whaaa?"

 

PS: Mizzou, what are you talking about? If Pelosi could send legislation to Obama's desk without a vote, she'd have done it already.

 

False.

From TPM:

"Before the bamboozlement gets too far, let's be clear about what the House is considering doing. There are two bills. The senate's original bill and the changes to that bill the House has now negotiated with the Senate. Normally, this is all hashed out in a conference committee. And it's all voted on in a single vote. In this case, that's not possible because of the continuing Republican filibuster in the Senate. So the House is considering taking both bills, consolidating them into a single vote, up or down. The old fashioned way. This isn't 'not having a vote'. And this has been done repeatedly before. Anybody who thinks these two bills shouldn't be passed simultaneously or thinks one or the other shouldn't pass has a simple solution. Vote no. Simple.

This isn't complicated. It's consolidating two votes into one."

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2010/03/lets_be_clear.php?ref=fpblg

 

A filibuster is a tool used to kill an unpopular bill.

Pelosi is attempting to sneak thru a bill without a vote. A bill that even the majority of her house colleagues on the Dem side don't like and could very well destroy 1/5 of the economy.

Anyone who honestly believes this is the correct and just way to resolve this is a fucking fool.

And Mizzou, to answer your question it's NEVER been done before on something this big. Pelosi needs to go to prison if this happens.

 

AQB, a filibuster is a tool to let a minority defeat a bill. Popularity has nothing to do with it. Destroy one-fifth of the economy? You gotta stop listening to talk radio. Really, once more I repeat. If Pelosi can pass the bill without a vote, why are they having a vote, and why does this thread even exist?
To answer the actual question, I believe the bill will fail. The Democratic party's identity crisis is too severe to allow it to govern. Many of its Reps would be more comfortable as Republicans, but Bush damaged the brand, so they're Democrats. If the Republicans take the House, as I expect, I also expect about 15 party-switchers the day after.

 

Michael - what has been the general feeling on Mass. Health care program? Has it done what was intended. Has it saved the state money?

 

The program is generally supported. Scott Brown did in his campaign, for example. It has provided coverage to a lot of people who wouldn't have it otherwise, and while it has cost more than originally thought, not too much more -- yet.
Crunch time may be near. To keep costs down, the state has to limit payments somewhat to hospitals and doctors, who are, of course, way, way more popular than insurance companies.
But if it wasn't for the hole the recession has blown in the state budget, there really wouldn't be any problems worth mentioning with the plan. And it retains majority support, at least according to the polling done around the Brown-Coakley race.

 

What is the average monthly premium for an Individual? Family of 4?

Do I understand correctly that everyone in Mass must have a proof of insurance card to get treatment at Hospital?