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Costas, Whitlock and gun control

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by LongTimeListener, Dec 3, 2012.

  1. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    No, you didn't. But, you'd like to ban 'em, right?
     
  2. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    Again: Argument is fine as it goes.

    But it is not an originalist stance.

    It is a Living Constitution stance.

    An activist one, in other words.
     
  3. Armchair_QB

    Armchair_QB Well-Known Member

    Show your work.
     
  4. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member


    " . . . then William Boeing and his descendants perfected the AH-64 helicopter gunship and rendered my old-timey epigram moot."
     
  5. printit

    printit Member


    That is just incomplete, at best. The founders were equally concerned with homegrown tyranny, and an armed population is a good check against it. The fact that so many mock the idea that this government could be tyrannical shows what a good job guns have done, frankly.
     
  6. Alma

    Alma Well-Known Member

    People would freak out at losing their guns. Freak out.
     
  7. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    Irrelevant.

    Again: The citizen militias of the Second Amendment existed because transportation and communication technology of the time period, along with uncertain centralized federal government power, made them necessary to defend the homeland because we didn't have a centralized armed forces like now.

    The Second Amendment - the origanal Second Amendment - is an anachronism. The world it was created for does not exist now.
     
  8. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    Not the purpose of the Second Amendment.
     
  9. printit

    printit Member

    For what it's worth, President Obama, who used to teach Constitutional Law, disagrees with you. So does Alan Dershowitz and (of course) 5 current members of the Supreme Court. The first sentence of the 2nd Amendment is a reason, not a limitation.
     
  10. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member


    The Bahrain Air Force flies F-16s. If Bahrain wants to put down an insurrection of people toting AK-47s, it will do so in an afternoon. It will also do it with our help since it's our Persian Gulf naval outpost.

    Unless every family in China in 1989 had a T-69 or T-85 tank of their own - of which the government had many tens of thousands even back then - I'm not optimistic about their chances to resist the crackdown.
     
  11. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    Great Britain was the Central Government.

    And, yes, the writers of the Constitution did not envision large, well equipped, standing armies -- especially in "Peace Time".

    But, militias were intended to preserve liberties.

    The Constitution is about preserving rights from our government. Hell, if we trusted our own government so much, why is the Third Amendment necessary? And, who would it fall upon to preserve our Third Amendment rights if they were violated, and the Courts were unable to do so?
     
  12. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    Disagree.

    Then they are all wrong.
     
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