Clark Judge says attitude should keep T.O. out of the HOF

What will Mr. Judge write when Randy Moss comes up? Same thing?

"Hall of Fame player, but uncooperative and erratic."

 

What a stupid, stupid argument. Headcase or not, the guy's career will get him in the HOF.

 

I do think this has kept Charles Haley out for a good long while.

 

So does he also think we should let undeserving players in if they were really nice guys?

Ridiculous. TO belongs in the HOF based upon his playing accomplishments, PERIOD. Whether he was an asshole or not should not make any difference. There's plenty of other assholes already enshrined, one more ain't gonna taint the place.

 

Thank goodness that only quiet, solid American family men like Michael Irvin have been inducted in the past.

 

Agree.

 

You could say one was better than the other, but it's hard for me to see how one was ">>>>" better than the other. They're almost identical. Owens was more physical. Moss was more of the speed guy. That's really the only difference.

Owens: 1,078 rec., 15,934 yds, 153 TDs, 6 Pro Bowls, 5 All Pros
Moss: 954 rec., 14,858 yds, 153 TD, 6 Pro Bowls, 4 All Pros

Either way, they're both assholes. And also locks for the HOF.

 

Based on my dealings with him, Ryan, I'd say Moss was more of a whack job than an outright asshole.

 

Whatever. I'm sure neither one is on Clarke Judge's Christmas Card list. And really, that's all that matters here.

 

Owens will get in. I would argue he should go in on the first ballot, but because he was a dick to some of the guys on the HOF committee, he'll have to wait a couple years.

It's pretty tough to get into Canton as a receiver, and Cris Carter, Andre Reed and Tim Brown are proof of that. Owens was better than any of them. So was Moss.

 

Based on the numbers and playing reputation, Owens gets in. However, I see Judge's point. Owens has a lot of the same baggage as Dick Allen, who was a superstar talent but there always was a feeling that he wasn't a team player. Now, you can ask what is a team player?

Owens could lead and build up relationship and friends on teams very easily. He wasn't Barry Bonds. But he also could alienate the shit out of certain teammates and coaches pretty quickly. Example: He threw Garcia under the bus in SanFran and later McNabb in Philly. Then he publicly wept for Tony Romo. Which is the real Owens? It is hard to say. And does it matter? For me, yes. I would not vote for Owens because to me he never seemed to go all out on a consistent manner when it counted.

Yes, he had the catch in the Packers game. He had the Super Bowl. He had the 20-catch game. He had standout, superstar moments. But he also had a lot of games where he vanished for lengthy periods of time, alligator-armed passes and generally served as a team distraction when it served him.