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CJR on a study on the relationship between journalism and drinking

Discussion in 'Journalism topics only' started by SF_Express, Mar 30, 2007.

  1. SF_Express

    SF_Express Active Member

  2. Frank_Ridgeway

    Frank_Ridgeway Well-Known Member

    When and where I began my career, it was common for the staff to head en masse to a bar. And then I moved to an excellent paper in a different part of the country where we didn't do this, but we still had that hellbent, "go for it" attitude. So I don't think this vitality-sapping corporate atmosphere has anything to do with absence of drunks. I think it has to do with self-propagating promotion of ass-sucking phonies into positions of newsroom power by desperate publishers who are easy prey for corporatespeak charlatans who promise a quick fix. The ass-sucking phonies then hire or promote other ass-sucking phonies who will replace the original ass-suckers when they move on to Poynter and the like, and the succession is repeated. These ass-suckers do not tend to tolerate dissent, which kills off any newsroom spirit. We have met the enemy and he is us, or at least a few cubicles away. Blaming it on us not drinking together is much is safer than addressing the fact that many of our leaders have no soul and would not acquire one from a bottle.
  3. SF_Express

    SF_Express Active Member

    Wow, what a great post.
  4. MileHigh

    MileHigh Moderator Staff Member

    I'll echo that.
  5. shockey

    shockey Active Member

    that was beautiful, frank. ;D
  6. joe_schmoe

    joe_schmoe Active Member

    I wonder if Frank's post reads differently when I'm drunk?
  7. SF_Express

    SF_Express Active Member

    Actually, one thing, Frank, because I've noted seeing this here before. And I'm allowed to hijack my own thread.

    When I go to Poynter, I see a lot of positive things. Yeah, there's all the management-speak, but that's been going on from my early days in the business (maybe my start coincided with our descent into a dark hole).

    There's a lot of vitriol among those here concerning Poynter. Do we think they do more harm than good?
  8. Frank_Ridgeway

    Frank_Ridgeway Well-Known Member

    No, I am glad they are there because they add to the discussion. And I respect what Nelson Poynter did -- the title of his bio, "A Sacred Trust," says it all. However, they are like commentators who write one thing one day, write the opposite a week later and never acknowledge this change. There is too much smugness about having "the answer" -- remember a year ago, how we're all gonna go tabloid? -- and then no accountability when the panacea du jour is found wanting. It's like, "civic journalism will save us" and then when it doesn't, no explanation of why it didn't, just on to the next fad. We need to learn from our mistakes, not treat it like necktie widths and keep bouncing back and forth between 3 inches wide and 4 inches wide for no reason but fashion. So I'd like to see a section of poynter.org called How We Fucked Up And Why.
  9. SF_Express

    SF_Express Active Member

    You know, that's what I hate about you, you never offer an informed, well-constructed opinion.
  10. Dave Kindred

    Dave Kindred Member

    My experience has been that Poynter facilitates discussion, doesn't dictate it. For one thing, it has no power to dictate. It can influence, yes, and the corporate phonies may learn PoynterSpeak. But, again, my experience has bee that Poynter discussions cover the pros and cons of the topic at hand. Reporters, editors, et al., are free to go home and make use of the information as best it fits their needs.
  11. SF_Express

    SF_Express Active Member

    Yeah, Dave, but I think Frank's point is that when it comes to making our newsrooms all nice and proper and corporate, too many places listen.
  12. playthrough

    playthrough Moderator Staff Member

    Ah, where's Dyepack when you need a good anti-Poynter rant...
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