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Chris Carpenter: Hall of Famer?

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Dick Whitman, Oct 7, 2011.

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  1. imjustagirl

    imjustagirl Active Member

    That's not a different framing. That's a whole 'nother house.
     
  2. JR

    JR Well-Known Member

    I want to see Rance Mulliniks and Garth Iorg inducted together as Mulliniorg. Two players, one induction.

    And, as someone said, these threads are getting ridiculous.
     
  3. Guy_Incognito

    Guy_Incognito Well-Known Member

    Al Bumbry & John Shelby (Bumby) think this is a great idea.
     
  4. 93Devil

    93Devil Well-Known Member

    Without question.
     
  5. Stoney

    Stoney Well-Known Member

    And you really think a convoluted hypothetical like that is a sound basis for starting another HOF thread? So now we're start threads to debate whether a player will end up "two missed seasons away"? Cripes. Here's an idea, how bout we start reserving these HOF threads for players who are actually realistic candidates? Carpenter is not one, and almost assuredly never will be.

    And the guy who said Pedro is out is absurdly clueless. You know those fanbois who think sportswriters don't know anything about sports? This thread would make a nice Exhibit A for them if that claim ever went to trial.
     
  6. sgreenwell

    sgreenwell Well-Known Member

    Isn't that kind of what the baseball thread is about? Reacting to spur of the moment, in-game stuff like Carpenter going the distance.
     
  7. If Carpenter did get into the Hall of Fame - what would be wear? Seriously. Should he wear something in Cardinals red or something light blue to highlight his time in Toronto?
     
  8. MrHavercamp

    MrHavercamp Member

    To answer your question seriously -- and I say this as someone who likes Carpenter and the way he pitches a lot -- the answer is no by a long shot. Here's why: In his first six seasons in Toronto, he was 49-50 with a 4.83 ERA and 1.51 WHIP. That's too large of a hurdle to overcome for a Hall candidacy. He turned his career around in St. Louis and has put together what I would call three great seasons and three pretty good ones. But he would have had to go on a Koufax-Maddux-Martinez-like run to even have had any chance at the Hall. He's simply not going to get there, and I don't care what he does in the postseason. But that duel with Halladay was a thing of beauty.
     
  9. If Carpenter was fat and black and played 1st base instead of pitching - he could be Mo Vaughn.

    Seriously - compare the stats
     
  10. BB Bobcat

    BB Bobcat Active Member

    Since you brought it up, CC Sabathia has a long way to go before he's a HOFer. Not saying he couldn't get there, but he's not now.
     
  11. BYH

    BYH Active Member

    God no.

    He was an injury-prone and not very good pitcher for Toronto from 1997-2002. During his peak w/the Cardinals, he missed all of 2003, made one start in 2007 and four appearances (three starts) in 2008. He has, as someone else pointed out, put together two really good three-year runs surrounding those two aborted seasons. But pretending he never pitched in Toronto, he'd have to have six more seasons exactly like his six peak seasons w/the Cardinals to even sniff 200 wins and get into the periphery of HOF discussion. Not happening.

    One great postseason game does not a what-if candidacy make. His postseason ERA before Friday was 3.38 in 10 starts. Good but not even in the discussion of all-time postseason pitchers.
     
  12. JC

    JC Well-Known Member

    Mark Lemke: Hall of famer? Discuss
     
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