China's One-Child Policy

TheSportsPredictor · May 22, 2013

YankeeFan said:

I criticize every President -- including Reagan, and both Bushes -- for not doing more to tie trade with China to their human rights record.
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Thanks for making a difference.

BTExpress · May 22, 2013

What you don't get is that us on the left call it "Pro-Choice" for a reason. And that's the woman has the right to choose.
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He gets it. What he's saying is that nobody cares that Chinese women do not have a right to choose.

TheSportsPredictor · May 22, 2013

BTExpress said:

What you don't get is that us on the left call it "Pro-Choice" for a reason. And that's the woman has the right to choose.
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He gets it. What he's saying is that nobody cares that Chinese women do not have a right to choose.
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I guess he'd be wrong. YankeeFan cares. I care. Others care.

YankeeFan · May 22, 2013

Baron Scicluna said:

What you don't get is that us on the left call it "Pro-Choice" for a reason. And that's the woman has the right to choose.

This policy by China is the same as what the right in the U.S. wants, except in the opposite direction. They want to tell women that they must have an abortion. Just like those righties who want to tell women that, if they're pregnant, that they must carry the fetus to term.
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I get that the "Pro-Choice" movement would like to frame it that way. And, for most folks, that's how they truly feel.

But, for Big Abortion, and for the folks most active in fighting for abortion rights, this just isn't true. It's an industry.

So, they don't speak out against Kermit Gosnell. It hits too close to home.

But, they also don't fight for women who are coerced into having an abortion by their boyfriend, husband, in-laws, or others.

Women who want to keep their baby have abortions every day in America, because they are pressured into it. They are threatened with being cut off financially or emotionally.

And, while it might not be as brutal as it is in China, it goes against anything "Pro-Choice" folks supposedly stand for.

Yet, I've never heard them make an issue of it.

old_tony · May 22, 2013

YankeeFan said:

Baron Scicluna said:

What you don't get is that us on the left call it "Pro-Choice" for a reason. And that's the woman has the right to choose.

This policy by China is the same as what the right in the U.S. wants, except in the opposite direction. They want to tell women that they must have an abortion. Just like those righties who want to tell women that, if they're pregnant, that they must carry the fetus to term.
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I get that the "Pro-Choice" movement would like to frame it that way. And, for most folks, that's how they truly feel.

But, for Big Abortion, and for the folks most active in fighting for abortion rights, this just isn't true. It's an industry.

So, they don't speak out against Kermit Gosnell. It hits too close to home.

But, they also don't fight for women who are coerced into having an abortion by their boyfriend, husband, in-laws, or others.

Women who want to keep their baby have abortions every day in America, because they are pressured into it. They are threatened with being cut off financially or emotionally.

And, while it might not be as brutal as it is in China, it goes against anything "Pro-Choice" folks supposedly stand for.

Yet, I've never heard them make an issue of it.
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To the left, a woman who wants to have an abortion and is talked out of it is a victim, but a woman who wants to have the child and is talked out of it is a hero and a pillar of strength.

Big Circus · May 22, 2013

old_tony said:

YankeeFan said:

Baron Scicluna said:

What you don't get is that us on the left call it "Pro-Choice" for a reason. And that's the woman has the right to choose.

This policy by China is the same as what the right in the U.S. wants, except in the opposite direction. They want to tell women that they must have an abortion. Just like those righties who want to tell women that, if they're pregnant, that they must carry the fetus to term.
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I get that the "Pro-Choice" movement would like to frame it that way. And, for most folks, that's how they truly feel.

But, for Big Abortion, and for the folks most active in fighting for abortion rights, this just isn't true. It's an industry.

So, they don't speak out against Kermit Gosnell. It hits too close to home.

But, they also don't fight for women who are coerced into having an abortion by their boyfriend, husband, in-laws, or others.

Women who want to keep their baby have abortions every day in America, because they are pressured into it. They are threatened with being cut off financially or emotionally.

And, while it might not be as brutal as it is in China, it goes against anything "Pro-Choice" folks supposedly stand for.

Yet, I've never heard them make an issue of it.
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To the left, a woman who wants to have an abortion and is talked out of it is a victim, but a woman who wants to have the child and is talked out of it is a hero and a pillar of strength.
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Or they're both just human beings trying to make a difficult decision.

Captain Obvious · May 22, 2013

old_tony said:

YankeeFan said:

Baron Scicluna said:

What you don't get is that us on the left call it "Pro-Choice" for a reason. And that's the woman has the right to choose.

This policy by China is the same as what the right in the U.S. wants, except in the opposite direction. They want to tell women that they must have an abortion. Just like those righties who want to tell women that, if they're pregnant, that they must carry the fetus to term.
Click to expand...

I get that the "Pro-Choice" movement would like to frame it that way. And, for most folks, that's how they truly feel.

But, for Big Abortion, and for the folks most active in fighting for abortion rights, this just isn't true. It's an industry.

So, they don't speak out against Kermit Gosnell. It hits too close to home.

But, they also don't fight for women who are coerced into having an abortion by their boyfriend, husband, in-laws, or others.

Women who want to keep their baby have abortions every day in America, because they are pressured into it. They are threatened with being cut off financially or emotionally.

And, while it might not be as brutal as it is in China, it goes against anything "Pro-Choice" folks supposedly stand for.

Yet, I've never heard them make an issue of it.
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To the left, a woman who wants to have an abortion and is talked out of it is a victim, but a woman who wants to have the child and is talked out of it is a hero and a pillar of strength.
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So writes a guy who couldn't get a woman to want to have his child.

TheSportsPredictor · May 22, 2013

old_tony said:

In my delusional fantasies of what I think other people think, a woman who wants to have an abortion and is talked out of it is a victim, but a woman who wants to have the child and is talked out of it is a hero and a pillar of strength.
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Fixed.

old_tony · May 22, 2013

Captain Obvious said:

old_tony said:

YankeeFan said:

Baron Scicluna said:

What you don't get is that us on the left call it "Pro-Choice" for a reason. And that's the woman has the right to choose.

This policy by China is the same as what the right in the U.S. wants, except in the opposite direction. They want to tell women that they must have an abortion. Just like those righties who want to tell women that, if they're pregnant, that they must carry the fetus to term.
Click to expand...

I get that the "Pro-Choice" movement would like to frame it that way. And, for most folks, that's how they truly feel.

But, for Big Abortion, and for the folks most active in fighting for abortion rights, this just isn't true. It's an industry.

So, they don't speak out against Kermit Gosnell. It hits too close to home.

But, they also don't fight for women who are coerced into having an abortion by their boyfriend, husband, in-laws, or others.

Women who want to keep their baby have abortions every day in America, because they are pressured into it. They are threatened with being cut off financially or emotionally.

And, while it might not be as brutal as it is in China, it goes against anything "Pro-Choice" folks supposedly stand for.

Yet, I've never heard them make an issue of it.
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To the left, a woman who wants to have an abortion and is talked out of it is a victim, but a woman who wants to have the child and is talked out of it is a hero and a pillar of strength.
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So writes a guy who couldn't get a woman to want to have his child.
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Quite amusing that you think your bitter, hatred-filled posts are a bad reflection on somebody else.

LongTimeListener · May 22, 2013

I'm not so sure the Chinese government comes out looking the worst on this thread.

Bob Cook · May 22, 2013

Well, that escalated in a hurry.

On another note, China is shooting itself in the foot economically with this policy. Long-term, you have a child-replacement rate like it does, and someday you're Italy.

Baron Scicluna · May 22, 2013

YankeeFan said:

Baron Scicluna said:

What you don't get is that us on the left call it "Pro-Choice" for a reason. And that's the woman has the right to choose.

This policy by China is the same as what the right in the U.S. wants, except in the opposite direction. They want to tell women that they must have an abortion. Just like those righties who want to tell women that, if they're pregnant, that they must carry the fetus to term.
Click to expand...

I get that the "Pro-Choice" movement would like to frame it that way. And, for most folks, that's how they truly feel.

But, for Big Abortion, and for the folks most active in fighting for abortion rights, this just isn't true. It's an industry.

So, they don't speak out against Kermit Gosnell. It hits too close to home.

But, they also don't fight for women who are coerced into having an abortion by their boyfriend, husband, in-laws, or others.

Women who want to keep their baby have abortions every day in America, because they are pressured into it. They are threatened with being cut off financially or emotionally.

And, while it might not be as brutal as it is in China, it goes against anything "Pro-Choice" folks supposedly stand for.

Yet, I've never heard them make an issue of it.
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Planned Parenthood and NARAL DID speak out against Gosnell

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/special-report-bret-baier/blog/2013/05/13/planned-parenthood-statement-gosnell-conviction

http://dailycaller.com/2013/05/13/naral-gosnell-murders-are-result-of-antichoice-attacks-on-abortion-access/

Women FORCED to have an abortion? That's interesting, coming from the side that wants to make it mandatory for parents, husbands and boyfriends to be notified, and in some states, to give consent, for an abortion.

Some women say that pressure from a husband, partner, or parent was one of several reasons they chose abortion, but only about 1% give that reason as the "most important" one in making their decision.
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http://www.prochoice.org/about_abortion/facts/women_who.html

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