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Calculating win % with ties involved

Discussion in 'Journalism topics only' started by Football_Bat, Apr 9, 2009.

  1. Football_Bat

    Football_Bat Well-Known Member

    Question for the old-timers who had to deal with ties back in the horse-and-buggy days:

    How do you figure win percentages with ties? Do you throw the tie out when you figure it (i.e. 4-6-1 = .400) or award half a win for the tie (i.e. 4-6-1 = .409)?

    I've wondered about this since eighth grade, but never had occasion to have it clarified until now.
  2. BTExpress

    BTExpress Well-Known Member

    A tie is half a win and half a loss.

    4-6-1 = 4.5 / 11, which equals .409
  3. OnTheRiver

    OnTheRiver Active Member

    I don't understand that.

    Your win percentage should be the percentage of games that you WIN. Period.
  4. Mystery_Meat

    Mystery_Meat Guest

    But if you do that, you run into the possibility that you could have more wins than losses, yet still have a sub-.500 winning percentage because ties are being treated like losses
  5. RickStain

    RickStain Well-Known Member

    And? Win percentage means win percentage, not "not loss" percentage.

    (Really, this is at the discretion of the league you are covering)
  6. Diabeetus

    Diabeetus Active Member

    Actually, through the 1971 season, ties did not count toward win percentage. They were simply disregarded...kind of like walks toward a baseball player's batting average. Before the 1972 season, the NFL adopted the half a win, half a loss method and used it since. The old ties are still disregarded when factoring teams'/coaches'/players' win percentage...the new policy didn't count ties retroactively.
  7. OnTheRiver

    OnTheRiver Active Member

    If you failed to WIN the games, then they shouldn't help your WINNING percentage.

    Doing it half-and-half is fine, but don't identify the percentage as something it's not.
  8. BTExpress

    BTExpress Well-Known Member

    In the final standings, there has to be a way to separate a 5-4-1 team from a 5-5 team.

    If "Pct." (which doesn't even use the term "winning") offends you, just think of it as a "did not lose" percentage.
  9. Batman

    Batman Well-Known Member

    IIRC, that's how the Eagles made the playoffs this season, wasn't it? The tie with the Bengals let them finish 9-6-1 and beat out somebody who finished 9-7.
  10. Diabeetus

    Diabeetus Active Member

    You do RC :D
  11. thesnowman

    thesnowman Member

    If you want to call it win percentage, then 4-6-1 actually translates to .364 ... said team has won four games out of the 11 it has played.

    What I find most reporters (for leagues such as the NHL, that decide standings on total points, not wins) doing, is reporting the Pct. stat as a percentage of total points gained. It irks me when I see a 37-37-8 team referred to as a .500 club in the NHL because that third category actually represents overtime/shoot-out losses, thus the team is really a 37-45 team, but as a percentage of points earned it's not technically inaccurate.
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