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Cal reinstates three sports, but not baseball

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Stitch, Feb 11, 2011.

  1. micropolitan guy

    micropolitan guy Well-Known Member

    Phil Knight actually had very little to do with the reinstatement of baseball at Oregon. Former AD Pat Kilkenny (or Killwrestling, as some call him because he terminated the program) was the man and the money behind that decision.

    As we've said before, Cal baseball had no advocate within the department. I'm sure baseball and rugby raised by far the largest share of the pledges to keep the five sports, but baseball never had a chance. The suits wanted it to go away, and now it will.
     
  2. poindexter

    poindexter Well-Known Member

    YES!!
     
  3. LongTimeListener

    LongTimeListener Well-Known Member

    Any man who does away with wrestling is a man who deserves a beer from me. However, that probably made talent scouting more difficult for gay porn distributors throughout the Pacific Northwest.
     
  4. Mizzougrad96

    Mizzougrad96 Active Member

    A couple guys I went to high school and played football with played rugby at Cal. These were the guys who thought football was for pussies because you wore things like pads.
     
  5. BrianGriffin

    BrianGriffin Active Member

    The difference between the SEC and Pac-10. Otherwise comparable baseball conferences (I won't get into a debate on who's better because who really knows or cares) but I can't imagine an SEC program that would want to cut baseball. All sports have costs. In the SEC, baseball brings in revenue that at least helps offset costs. In the Pac-10? Probably not so much.
     
  6. Mizzougrad96

    Mizzougrad96 Active Member

    How many Pac-12 schools have baseball? I'm pretty sure Colorado doesn't. I'm assuming Utah doesn't. I know historically, USC, Stanford and the Arizona schools are usually good. The rest? I don't know... It seems like in California, it's the smaller schools like Cal State Fullerton that seem to be good.
     
  7. BrianGriffin

    BrianGriffin Active Member

    Cal's made the CWS five times, most recently 1992. Oregon State is really good too. They won back-to-back national titles in 2006 and 2007.

    I think in both the south and the west there's a chance for "mid-majors" to be really good in baseball because of the depth of talent and 11.7 scholarship limit per team (For example, Tulane can offer a full ride to a player LSU only offers a partial to and steal a player away that, if it was football where all schollies are full rides, Tulane would have no shot).

    The West is not nearly as saturated with "big-time" programs as the south, so there is plenty of talent out there for a CS-Fullerton to recruit to compete with a USC or Stanford. The South is more packed with BCS-level programs, but there is still enough talent for Rice, TCU, Tulane, UL-Lafayette and Southern Miss to have made CWS appearances in the last 10-15 years or so (Rice won it).
     
  8. Mizzougrad96

    Mizzougrad96 Active Member

    I definitely forgot about Oregon State. I don't watch much college baseball, but I did watch the CWS one of the years they won the title.
     
  9. SoCalDude

    SoCalDude Active Member

    Utah has baseball:

    http://utahutes.cstv.com/sports/m-basebl/utah-m-basebl-body.html


    Colorado does not.

    So, it'll still be the Pac-10 in baseball.

    However, Cal should be banished from the league for dropping the sport. F***ing embarrassing for a major university in California.

    Also, that small school mentioned above, Cal State Fullerton?
    Enrollment was 35,900 in fall of 2010. Anybody thinking it's small has never tried to find a parking place there.

    Since 1972, the major problem with Title IX was not excluding football (and maybe wrestling) from the bottom-line number. If they had excluded football, most of these situations wouldn't have occurred.
    Exclude football and have equality right down the line for the rest of the department: M&W basketball, volleyball, golf, swimming, water polo, baseball/softball, whatever.
    Here's some of the absurdity. A JC around here HAD to have a women's golf team because they had a men's golf team. There are 5 members of the women's team, all middle-age women who are friends from a local country club. They decided to BE the golf team at the JC, taking art and crafts classes.
     
  10. LongTimeListener

    LongTimeListener Well-Known Member

    I would advise you, and anyone else who thinks like you, to stop the teeth-gnashing about what Title IX ***SHOULD*** do. It has only been the subject of about eleventy kazillion lawsuits, all of which have returned the exact same verdict -- and, if anything, have made compliance even more difficult. And also: excluding football ... and wrestling? WTF does wrestling do for a university to merit even five seconds of special consideration?
     
  11. Stitch

    Stitch Active Member

    Cal's rugby team wins titles, even though it's been Cal and BYU in the finals for the past five years.
     
  12. BrianGriffin

    BrianGriffin Active Member

    I have no problem with CS Fullerton being called a "small school" in the context of sports. There are a lot of commuter schools -- and I think Fullerton fits that description -- that have small potatoes athletics. Texas State and Texas-Arlington both have enrollments over 30,000 and they play in the Southland Conference (although Texas State is headed for the WAC). Georgia State is over 30,000 students. I think Central Florida has something like 55,000 students and Buffalo and Stony Brook in the SUNY system are both well over 25,000 students.

    But all of these are small-time athletic programs (with the possible exception of Central Florida, a middle-of-the-pack C-USA program).
     
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