C.C. Sabathia: Hall of Famer?

Martinez was top 5 in Cy Young only twice. Most of his career was during pre-juiced players/balls and his career ERA is 3.70. Sabathia
is 3.69. Sabathia won a Cy Young and finished top 5 in 4 other seasons. Sabathia career ERA plus 117, Martinez 106. Strikeouts per
9 innings Sabathia 7.7 Martinez 4.8.

 

He's managing to pad out his counting stats, which is way better than I thought he'd do, since he looked washed up a few years ago. He's also now strictly a 5 to 6 inning a start pitcher, so, I'm not sure how much value it adds to his case. If you thought he was a HoF pitcher in 2015, you probably still think he is today, but I don't know if two to three years of being late-career Jamie Moyer adds much to his candidacy.

 

So he’s better than Dennis and on par with Pettitte, TJ, Mussina and Kaat?

 

Wouldn't say he's just padding his counting stats. Maybe it's semantics but padding his counting stats would be adding some wins and strikeouts and not really pitching effectively. He has a 3.32 ERA a 1.28 WHIP and 106 K in 119 1/3 innings. At their peaks, Sabathia definitely was better than Moyer.

 

Agree with Della's ranking, Mussina, Sabathia, Pettitte, Kaat, John, Martinez.

 

Where do Dave Stieb, Kevin Brown, Hershiser & Cone fall?

 

Much as I remember him coming to the Yankees and rapidly declining, Brown probably deserved more consideration than he got.

 

On memory only, I think of Hersheiser as better than Sabathia. Cone Pettitte and Mussina seem fairly equal to each other and Sabathia. Brown is a notch below. Steib about at Brown’s level

I still think TJ deserves HOF

 

Steib is criminally underrated and better than Jack Morris.

 

Brown 3.28 ERA 68 WAR. Hershiser 3.48 56.3.

 

Not to go off on a tangent but who is the replacement pitcher that everyone is measured against? Who has a zero WAR that played long enough to be the point on the scale to be measured against?

 

Si

Since you don’t understand WAR just go with ERA. Or are you a winners win guy?