Bush administration made over 900 false statements in lead-up to Iraq

D-Backs Hack · Jan 23, 2008

D.Sanchez said:

I'm not really questioning the content of the study, I haven't read it. However, in my opinion it's pretty lazy/sloppy journalism to insinuate that the group behind this report is nonpartisan when it is largely funded by one of the loudest Bush bashers in the world. If this was a Heritage Foundation study or a group funded by Rubert Murdoch I GUARANTEE that the potential bias would have been mentioned.
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Actually, no, you can't GUARANTEE that.

http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?articleId=4635

In a recent study of major media's think tank citations, California State University researcher Michael Dolny found that right-wing think tanks were not only quoted more often than liberal ones, but their ideological character was identified less often. Corporate funders were rarely identified, even when they made up more than a quarter of an institute's budget. By contrast, when the Economic Policy Institute (EPI) was quoted, both its ideological predisposition (liberal) and its funding source (roughly one-quarter of its budget is from labor) usually were identified.
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http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1425

Fenian_Bastard · Jan 23, 2008

Boom_70 said:

Fudgie the Whale said:

So you're easily swayed but what other people tell you? OK.
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So 3 sources is not enough to render judgement? We all cannot be like Sean Penn and fly to Iraq to see for ourselves.
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Well, when one of the sources is a drunk and the other two are out of Chalabi's shop, and you ignore all the people who are telling you it's wrong, and your people have been plotting this war since 1996, and you yourself talked about it as far back as 1/01...oh, fuck, why bother? You just knew this pile of old irrelevancies was coming.

hockeybeat · Jan 23, 2008

If I thought that the Democratic leadership in Congress had the fortitude and integrity to begin impeachment proceedings...well, I try to live in the here and now.

Ace · Jan 23, 2008

I am shocked an angry to hear that the Bush administration lied 900 times to run us into war.

I had 1,000 in the office pool.

hondo · Jan 23, 2008

Fudgie the Whale said:

Boom_70 said:

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to
develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them.
That is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is
clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of
mass destruction program."
- President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"Iraq is a long way from [the USA], but what happens there matters a
great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use
nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the
greatest security threat we face."
- Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten
times since 1983." - Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with
the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if
appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond
effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass
destruction programs."
- Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin,
Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of
mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region
and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998
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They were all wrong, too. What's your point?
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The point is that when a Democrat says something that turns out to be wrong, well, they were merely misinformed or had the wrong intelligence. When a Republican says the same thing, he's a liar and should be impeached.
That about cover it?

hockeybeat · Jan 23, 2008

hondo said:

Fudgie the Whale said:

Boom_70 said:

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to
develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them.
That is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is
clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of
mass destruction program."
- President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"Iraq is a long way from [the USA], but what happens there matters a
great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use
nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the
greatest security threat we face."
- Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten
times since 1983." - Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with
the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if
appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond
effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass
destruction programs."
- Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin,
Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of
mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region
and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998
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They were all wrong, too. What's your point?
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The point is that when a Democrat says something that turns out to be wrong, well, they were merely misinformed or had the wrong intelligence. When a Republican says the same thing, he's a liar and should be impeached.
That about cover it?
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I don't remember Bill Clinton green-lighting a war in Iraq that has been an unmitigated disaster.

Fenian_Bastard · Jan 23, 2008

Somehow, that never comes up in the Endless List Of Quotes.

hockeybeat · Jan 23, 2008

Fenian_Bastard said:

Somehow, that never comes up in the Endless List Of Quotes.
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Well, why would it? It's easier to point out that other pols may have at one time believed the misinformation.

andyouare? · Jan 23, 2008

hondo said:

Fudgie the Whale said:

Boom_70 said:

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to
develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them.
That is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is
clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of
mass destruction program."
- President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"Iraq is a long way from [the USA], but what happens there matters a
great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use
nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the
greatest security threat we face."
- Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten
times since 1983." - Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with
the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if
appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond
effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass
destruction programs."
- Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin,
Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of
mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region
and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998
Click to expand...

They were all wrong, too. What's your point?
Click to expand...

The point is that when a Democrat says something that turns out to be wrong, well, they were merely misinformed or had the wrong intelligence. When a Republican says the same thing, he's a liar and should be impeached.
That about cover it?
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You can bring up thousands of quotes from Democrats and other countries and it doesn't matter. This was Bush and Cheney's war. That's how it will -- and should -- always be remembered. Never would have happened without them. The stooges who believed or went along with everything they said (including gutless Democrats and members of the media) aided and abetted, for sure.

But this was Bush's war, plain and simple.

On another point, I didn't think this story would really be picked up since it was nothing new. But when I go to Google News, it's appeared in the NY Times, USA Today and cnn.com.

And, to D.Sanchez's point, it doesn't mention Soros. You can argue that it should, but you can't argue facts.

hockeybeat · Jan 23, 2008

andyouare? said:

hondo said:

Fudgie the Whale said:

Boom_70 said:

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to
develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them.
That is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is
clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of
mass destruction program."
- President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"Iraq is a long way from [the USA], but what happens there matters a
great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use
nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the
greatest security threat we face."
- Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten
times since 1983." - Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with
the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if
appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond
effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass
destruction programs."
- Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin,
Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of
mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region
and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998
Click to expand...

They were all wrong, too. What's your point?
Click to expand...

The point is that when a Democrat says something that turns out to be wrong, well, they were merely misinformed or had the wrong intelligence. When a Republican says the same thing, he's a liar and should be impeached.
That about cover it?
Click to expand...

You can bring up thousands of quotes from Democrats and other countries and it doesn't matter. This was Bush and Cheney's war. That's how it will -- and should -- always be remembered. Never would have happened without them. The stooges who believed or went along with everything they said (including gutless Democrats and members of the media) aided and abetted, for sure.

But this was Bush's war, plain and simple.
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But Dems and the media believed in the misinformation! They're just as guilty as Bush and Co.! [/4yoBoomandHondo]

bostonbred · Jan 23, 2008

I don't get it. Bill Clinton is impeached for lying about banging Lewinsky. OK. Fast forward a decade and there is strong evidence than Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/etc. lied about the invasion of Iraq, Hussein, al-Queda, etc., an infinitely more serious matter and we are sitting here doing nothing, merely discussing it. They should at least serve trial.

Seriously, will Pelosi and co. ever grow some fucking balls?

Ace · Jan 23, 2008

bostonbred said:

I don't get it. Bill Clinton is impeached for lying about banging Lewinsky. OK. Fast forward a decade and there is strong evidence than Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/etc. lied about the invasion of Iraq, Hussein, al-Queda, etc., an infinitely more serious matter and we are sitting here doing nothing, merely discussing it. They should at least serve trial.

Seriously, will Pelosi and co. ever grow some fucking balls?
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I'm pretty sure Pelosi won't. Would you settle for a raging case of PMS?

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