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Bobby Grich should be in the Hall of Fame

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by spnited, Dec 21, 2008.

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  1. Big Circus

    Big Circus Well-Known Member

    The problem is that your post is the first time the word "extreme" has come up on this thread.
     
    Big Circus, Dec 21, 2008
    #61
  2. JC

    JC Well-Known Member

    so would you include spnited in the obnoxious certitude?
     
    JC, Dec 21, 2008
    #62
  3. lone star scribe

    lone star scribe Guest

    My observation has been that HOF voters would do better to compare apples to apples, oranges to oranges. No punter in Canton? Only recently have closers started to get their due in Cooperstown. Ted Simmons' numbers compare favorably with the catchers in the HOF, but he was never the biggest star on his teams, so he's overlooked.
     
    lone star scribe, Dec 22, 2008
    #63
  4. jagtrader

    jagtrader Active Member

    Like spnited, Abe is fighting the good fight.
     
    jagtrader, Dec 22, 2008
    #64
  5. westcoastvol

    westcoastvol Active Member

    Dear Rob Neyer and company,

    Welcome to the HOF voting committee!

    Signed,

    Bert Blyleven and Jim Rice
     
    westcoastvol, Dec 22, 2008
    #65
  6. Ashy Larry

    Ashy Larry Active Member

    who the hell is Bobby Grich?
     
    Ashy Larry, Dec 22, 2008
    #66
  7. JC

    JC Well-Known Member

    Future HOF, veterans committee
     
    JC, Dec 22, 2008
    #67
  8. Bob Cook

    Bob Cook Active Member

    Wait, so do walks come because you hit for power, or because you have a good batting eye?

    Also, Giambi didn't hit with the Red Sox, but he did with everyone else. He had an OPS+ of 147 in 2002 and 123 in 2001 (according to Baseball Reference), meaning that he was above-average for on-base percentage plus slugging. And even with a sub-.200 average, he had a .342 OBP for the Red Sox, so being able to take a walk made him not a liability when he stepped up the plate.

    Of course, Jeremy Giambi had bigger problems, like playing no defense, marijuana busts and taking steroids, so I'm not going to make the saber-nerd case for his Hall of Fame candidacy.

    A better example of what being able to take a walk means -- Kevin Youkilis. He was a power hitter in college, and one thing that helped him develop his power in the majors was his great batting eye. You're not going to get him out on bad balls, so you have to give him good pitches to hit, and hit them he has. For all of Ichiro's gaudy hit totals, Youkilis has the higher OBP, and of course has a higher slugging percentage. He doesn't steal like Ichiro, but at the plate the numbers make the case you're far better off with Youkilis than Ichiro.
     
    Bob Cook, Dec 22, 2008
    #68
  9. JC

    JC Well-Known Member

    Logic, what a nice concept.
     
    JC, Dec 22, 2008
    #69
  10. playthrough

    playthrough Moderator Staff Member

    "Second baseman Bobby Grich, right, is one of the most notable victims of the 5 percent rule. He did everything well, except hit for average."

    Last sentence makes a lot of sense. Like trying to put a linebacker in the football Hall who did everything well except tackle. I know power guys can get a pass with a ton of HRs, but Bobby friggin' Grich is going to need to hit for average.

    And I can find some fault in HOF procedures and voting, but the 5 percent rule ain't one of them. The difference between writers and sabermetricians isn't going to turn a 2 percent guy into a 78 percent.

    Disappointing for a column like this to run in the NYT. Again, who is this author?
     
    playthrough, Dec 22, 2008
    #70
  11. Trouser_Buddah

    Trouser_Buddah Active Member

    Wasn't he a wrangler at Sammy Baugh's ranch?
     
    Trouser_Buddah, Dec 22, 2008
    #71
  12. I Digress

    I Digress Guest

    I'll say this for Bobby, that is, for sure, a HOF mustache.
     
    I Digress, Dec 22, 2008
    #72
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