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Bob Ryan: I don't think the "average" fan cares about advanced metrics in MLB

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by H.L. Mencken, May 18, 2014.

  1. H.L. Mencken

    H.L. Mencken Member

    A column that was tailor made for a classic SJ slugfest.

    Release the arguments!

  2. Songbird

    Songbird Well-Known Member

    What's Ryan's Wins Over Replacement Pontificator?
  3. 3_Octave_Fart

    3_Octave_Fart Well-Known Member

    Fossils like Ryan are peeved they have to work harder to make a point, instead of falling back on CHEMISTRY and INTANGIBLES and LEADERSHIP.
  4. LongTimeListener

    LongTimeListener Well-Known Member

    Is this self-plagiarism from 2007?
  5. heyabbott

    heyabbott Well-Known Member

    WAR isn't a stat, it's an opinion reduced to a number, like "she's a 6".
  6. DanOregon

    DanOregon Well-Known Member

    You shouldn't be commenting or covering baseball if you don't understand them and are able to convey how clubs use them to evaluate players.
    I don't think Joe Blow has a OPS of "X" is a story. But being able to show how and why teams care is essential. And just saying "people don't care" is like writing about a new city budget and just copying the press release, mentioning the cuts or increases, but not putting your eyeballs to the numbers and seeing the year-to-year adjustments.
  7. LongTimeListener

    LongTimeListener Well-Known Member

    You can't ignore data in baseball anymore unless you're willing to say the third baseman caught a line drive while stationed in right field because the manager played a hunch.
  8. Starman

    Starman Well-Known Member

    Just more grouchy-old-mannism.

    Change comes slowly to baseball. Fifteen years ago there were fans who loudly scoffed at the very idea of keeping pitch counts.

    Now, any manager who keeps a starter who isn't working on a shutout in to throw 120+ pitches gets uniformly barbecued on all the talk shows.

    I think WHIP is pretty universally understood by almost everybody. It ain't that hard to figure out. OPS isn't quite as simple, but it's close.

    I remember in the Seventies hearing broadcasters huff and puff about guys who drew a lot of walks, claiming they bogged down the offense. That shit is pretty much gone.
  9. playthrough

    playthrough Moderator Staff Member

    Advanced metrics give people something else to look at during excruciatingly long baseball games, which is to say, all baseball games. So that's nice.

    I'm a very "average" fan, meaning I'll go to one or two games in person every year, check what my team did every day and have little idea about what most other teams are doing until September. And, yep, I don't care about advanced metrics. But as fodder for a column ... Ryan can do better.
  10. 3_Octave_Fart

    3_Octave_Fart Well-Known Member

    The Phillies are a team that has almost openly scoffed at metrics and analytics.
    Look at the shape of that organization. Enough said.
    I would think veteran newspapermen would be less resistant to change, given the seismic shift we've witnessed in the industry.
  11. Boom_70

    Boom_70 Well-Known Member

    Kind of funny given that The Red Sox are one of teams that have
    benefited the most from using advanced stats.
  12. BTExpress

    BTExpress Well-Known Member

    All true. But is being barbecued on all the talk shows a legitimate reason to do anything?

    Winning percentage the past 12 seasons:

    .450 (current)

    Now, assuming that "metrics and analytics" became a part of the game long before 2013, how have the Phillies done vis a vis the rest of baseball over this 12-year span?
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