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"Blind faith in your leaders, or in anything, will get you killed."

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by poindexter, Dec 12, 2008.

  1. poindexter

    poindexter Well-Known Member

    Springsteen may have been talking about wars in 1985, but take a look at what our political leaders, corporate leaders and economic pundits have said over the past few years regarding the economic landscape:

    Political “Experts”

    George W. Bush, Sept 2007:

    The Federal government will not bail out lenders — because that would only make a recurrence of the problem more likely. And it is not the government’s job to bail out speculators, or those who made the decision to buy a home they knew they could never afford.

    Christopher Dodd, Chair, Senate Banking Committee, Financial Post, July 12, 2008:

    These institutions [Fannie and Freddie] are fundamentally sound and strong. There is no reason for the kind of [stock market] reaction we’re getting.

    Phil Gramm, July 10, 2008:

    Misery sells newspapers. Thank God the economy is not as bad as you read in the newspaper every day.

    Barney Frank regarding Fannie & Freddie, 2005:

    I do think I do not want the same kind of focus on safety and soundness that we have in OCC [Office of the Comptroller of the Currency] and OTS [Office of Thrift Supervision]. I want to roll the dice a little bit more in this situation towards subsidized housing.

    Barney Frank regarding Fannie & Freddie, 2007:

    I believe there has been more alarm raised about potential unsafety and unsoundness than, in fact, exists.

    Financial “Experts”

    Alan Greenspan, October 2004:

    Improvements in lending practices driven by information technology have enabled lenders to reach out to households with previously unrecognized borrowing capacities.

    Alan Greenspan, 2005:

    There is a chance that housing prices could fall, but its effect on the economy will be limited.

    Alan Greenspan, May 2005:

    The use of a growing array of derivatives and the related application of more-sophisticated approaches to measuring and managing risk are key factors underpinning the greater resilience of our largest financial institutions .... Derivatives have permitted the unbundling of financial risks.

    Alan Greenspan, October 1, 2006:

    I suspect that we are coming to the end of the housing downturn, as applications for new mortgages, the most important series, have flattened out…I think that the worst of this may well be over.

    Henry Paulson, January 2007:

    The market impact of the U.S. subprime mortgage fallout is largely contained and that the global economy is as strong as it has been in decades.

    Henry Paulson, April 20, 2007;

    All the signs I look at show the housing market is at or near the bottom. The U.S. economy is very healthy and robust.

    Henry Paulson, March 2, 2008:

    I’m not interested in bailing out investors, lenders and speculators.

    Ben Bernanke during Congressional Testimony March 2007:

    At this juncture, the impact on the broader economy and financial markets of the problems in the subprime market seems likely to be contained.

    Ben Bernanke, May 5, 2007:

    We will follow developments in the subprime market closely. However, fundamental factors—including solid growth in incomes and relatively low mortgage rates—should ultimately support the demand for housing, and at this point, the troubles in the subprime sector seem unlikely to seriously spill over to the broader economy or the financial system.

    Ben Bernanke, October 15, 2007:

    It is not the responsibility of the Federal Reserve—nor would it be appropriate—to protect lenders and investors from the consequences of their financial decisions.

    Timothy Geithner, May 15, 2007:

    Changes in financial markets, including those that are the subject of your conference, have improved the efficiency of financial intermediation and improved our confidence in the ability of markets to absorb stress. In financial systems around the world, the capital positions of banks have improved and capital markets are becoming deeper and playing a larger role in financial intermediation. Financial innovation has improved the capacity to measure and manage risk. Risk is spread more broadly across countries and institutions.

    Investment “Experts”

    Warren Buffett, on Bloomberg TV, May 3, 2008:

    The worst is over.

    Moody’s internal email:

    Sometimes, we drink the kool-aid.

    S&P internal email:

    It could be structured by cows and we would rate it.

    S&P internal memo:

    Let’s hope we are all wealthy and retired by the time this house of cards falters.

    MikeThomson, Financial Post, April 25, 2007:

    Chairman Bernanke has succeeded; the economy has been positioned on a sustainable track for manageable expansion: A Goldilocks scenario that is neither too hot nor too cold.

    Jim Cramer regarding Bear Stearns, June 22, 2007:

    And I believe there will be NO FALLOUT whatsoever beyond the funds, despite the innate desire by so many people to rumor and panic the marketplace.

    Jim Cramer, August 4, 2008 – market is down 28% since then:

    I am indeed sticking my neck out right here, right now… declaring emphatically that I believe the market will not revisit the panicked lows it hit on July 15, and I think anyone out there who’s waiting for that low to be breached is in for a big disappointment and [they’re] missing a great deal of upside. My bottom call isn’t gutsy. I think it’s just a smart call that all the evidence points toward. Bye, bye bear market. Say hello to the bull and don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

    Ben Stein, August 13, 2007 – market down 40% since then:

    The stock market is cheap on a price-earnings basis, profits are fabulous, both here and abroad, stocks are a lovely place to be. I have no idea what the S&P will be ten days from now, but I am confident it will be a lot higher ten years from now, and for most Americans, that's what we need to think about. The subprime and private equity and hedge fund dogs may bark, but the stock market caravan moves on.

    Ben Stein, January 27, 2008;

    The losses in the stock market since the highs of October 2007 are about 14 percent. This predicts — very roughly — a fall in corporate profits of roughly 14 percent. Yet there has never been a decline of quite that size for even one year in the postwar United States, and never more than two years of declining profits before they regained their previous peak.

    Corporate “Experts”

    Stanley O’Neal, former CEO of Merrill Lynch, January 2007:

    We finished the year positioned better than ever to capitalize on the array of opportunities still emerging around the world as a result of what we believe are fundamental and long-term changes in how the global economy and capital markets are developing.

    John Thain, another former CEO of Merrill Lynch, April 8, 2008:

    We deliberately raised more capital than we lost last year ... we believe that will allow us to not have to go back to the equity market in the foreseeable future.

    Charles Prince, former CEO of Citigroup, July 2007:

    When the music stops, in terms of liquidity, things will be complicated. But as long as the music is playing, you’ve got to get up and dance. We’re still dancing.

    Angelo Mozilo, former CEO of Countrywide Financial, July 2007 after he sold $138 million of stock:

    But as I do reflect on it, and I do a lot, that nobody saw this coming. S&P and Moody's didn't see it coming, but they simply just downgrade bonds, they don't take hits. Bear Stearns certainly didn't see it coming. Merrill Lynch didn't see it coming. Nobody saw this coming.

    KenThompson, former CEO of Wachovia, October 2007:

    I’m confident our company is in the right businesses for the long term and that our strategy of being in high growth businesses and markets, our laser focus on customer service, our expense discipline, and our commitment to strong credit risk management, will create value for our shareholders in the future.

    Folks, listen to nobody. This nation is led by a band of crooks, liars and thieves. Its sickening. And sad.

  2. Magic In The Night

    Magic In The Night Active Member

    Yep, the only solution is to get out the tin cups and get in the streets and sell some pencils. Well, either that or BLOGS!
  3. poindexter

    poindexter Well-Known Member

    Actually, the solution is for the country to produce things that people need. America needs about five Microsofts. Water desalinization. Medical breakthroughs for stuff other than boners. Harnessing energy.
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