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Bill James makes HOF case for Dwight Evans

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Mizzougrad96, Feb 9, 2012.

  1. Mizzougrad96

    Mizzougrad96 Active Member


  2. 93Devil

    93Devil Well-Known Member

    No. It's insane.

    Unless he shows his work, or his spreadsheets, I won't go fo a "win share" at all.

    How the F does a player only earn two "loss shares" over the course of a season? And what about making crappy plays even though your team wins? Does that count against you?

    Dewey was a good player. A very good player, but he was the third-best outfielder on his own team for many seasons, which is another way to say he was first-worst.
  3. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    Dwight Evans belongs in the Hall of Fame.
  4. Michael_ Gee

    Michael_ Gee Well-Known Member

    I believe I have posted this before, but back in the '80s at the old Eliot Lounge, we came up with a bar game where you had to pick active players who'd be elected to the Hall by the Veterans Committee. Evans was the first name everyone came up with.
  5. LongTimeListener

    LongTimeListener Well-Known Member

    That guy has become the silverest of silver foxes. I vote yea.
  6. Gehrig

    Gehrig Active Member

    It isn't Bill James making the argument, it's someone using his Win and (unpublished as to methodology) Loss shares. Arguing for Dewey by comparing him to his peers assumes that said group contains a deserving HOFer beyond Dave Winfield, which isn't clearly so. Dewey wouldn't be the worst induction, but whether he belongs among the best 240 in the game is at best debatable. He certainly isn't the best candidate on the outside of the Hall.
  7. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    I respected Dwight Evans when I was a kid (I was a Yankees fan). And he is damned close using whatever smell test I have for the HOF. Sorta close, just not quite there is the way I would put it. It's not the stats, even though I think his stats fall short. It's just who he was relative to the rest of the league. He was never a star among stars.

    Now if you want to argue Graig Nettles HOF credentials! :)
  8. bigpern23

    bigpern23 Well-Known Member

    Fuck Dewey Evans. Let's see him make a case for Ricky Williams!
  9. Mizzougrad96

    Mizzougrad96 Active Member

    I'm sure one of the seamheads on here will tell me how wrong I am, but Evans had the best arm I've ever seen.
  10. Michael_ Gee

    Michael_ Gee Well-Known Member

    Mizzou, in Evans' first years, I was a right field bleacher regular at Fenway. He had an amazing arm, although I do believe Clemente's was better. Accuracy and strength.
  11. Gehrig

    Gehrig Active Member

    This list was put together quickly, and I could change the order if I gave more thought behind it.

    1. Barfield
    2. Bob Meusel
    3. Ichiro
    4. Clemente
    5. Evans
    6. Guerrero
    7. Andruw
    8. Shoeless
    9. Mays
    10. Ruth
    11. Mondesi
    12. Parker
    13. Winfield
    14. Hooper
    15. Cravath
    16. Ott
    17. Speaker

    Obviously, there's some players on that list that I didn't see play, but I've read a lot about them.
  12. 93Devil

    93Devil Well-Known Member

    Bo Jackson's was not that had. I head Elway's baseball arm was decent as well.
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