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Best Pitcher of the Modern Era (1980-present)

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Michael Echan, Jan 7, 2010.

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Since 1980, who has been the best overall starting pitcher? (listed alphabetically)

  1. Roger Clemens: 24 seasons, 354-184 (.658 W%), 3.12 ERA, 1.17 WHIP, 118 CG - 46 SHO, 4916.2 IP, 4672

    10 vote(s)
    15.9%
  2. Randy Johnson: 22 seasons, 303-166 (.646 W%), 3.29 ERA, 1.17 WHIP, 100 CG - 37 SHO, 4135.1 IP, 4875

    7 vote(s)
    11.1%
  3. Greg Maddux: 23 seasons, 355-227 (.610 W%), 3.16 ERA, 1.14 WHIP, 109 CG - 35 SHO, 5008.1 IP, 3371 K

    33 vote(s)
    52.4%
  4. Pedro Martinez: 18 seasons, 219-100 (.687 W%), 2.93 ERA, 1.05 WHIP, 46 CG - 17 SHO, 2827.1 IP, 3154

    13 vote(s)
    20.6%
  1. buckweaver

    buckweaver Active Member

    The answer is Clemens ... but it wouldn't be if he'd had any semblance of a normal decline.

    So, Maddux gets my vote.

    Oh, and Johnson > Carlton.
     
  2. outofplace

    outofplace Well-Known Member

    Which won't happen because a few douchebags will misuse/abuse their votes.
     
  3. Mizzougrad96

    Mizzougrad96 Active Member

    True. I thought there was a chance that Ripken would get 100 percent.

    It's a nice thought, but it will never happen.
     
  4. zeke12

    zeke12 Guest

    This.
     
  5. Michael_ Gee

    Michael_ Gee Well-Known Member

    I yield to no one in my admiration for Maddux. I too hope he's a unanimous first round pick.
    But Pedro in the late 1990s-early 2000s was every bit Koufax's equal. Based on the evidence of my eyes, he was one of the two best pitchers of my lifetime, and I'm 60. So he has my vote.
     
  6. buckweaver

    buckweaver Active Member

    I am not 60, but this is not untrue.
     
  7. dooley_womack1

    dooley_womack1 Well-Known Member

    I would say Johnson = Carlton. And nodding to the Gold Gloves, I'd go with Maddux but take any of 'em.
     
  8. Michael Echan

    Michael Echan Member

     
  9. outofplace

    outofplace Well-Known Member

    Quote function problems?

    I absolutely hate this bullshit of a few voters making sure nobody ever gets in unanimously. I never hated it more than when they did it to Henderson because you just know those smug assholes felt extremely good about themselves for doing it to him. Never mind the fact they signed their name to a piece of paper that says, in effect, Rickey Henderson is not a Hall of Famer. I don't know about the rest of you, but I wouldn't want my name on a statement that shows that level of cluelessnes.
     
  10. Batman

    Batman Well-Known Member

    I thought Maddux was fairly effective right until the end of his career. His record didn't reflect it since he didn't get a ton of run support his last year or two with the Padres, and he certainly wasn't going to go nine innings, but he was a solid No. 5 starter who could give you five or six good innings.
    His dropoff was nowhere near as bad as Johnson's last two or three years. Johnson hung around too long just to get to 300.
    Clemens has the steroid cloud hanging over him and Pedro was never the same after Grady Little. Pedro's peak was awesome, but the last five years he's been pretty average.
    My vote went to Maddux.
     
  11. Captain_Kirk

    Captain_Kirk Well-Known Member

    Maddux' ERA was over 4.00 every year from 2004 on. Would say his record is more a factor that than run support.
     
  12. RickStain

    RickStain Well-Known Member

    Without looking too closely, I'd say Pedro for brief peak, Maddux for extended peak, Clemens for career.
     
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