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Baseball's Worst MVP Choices

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by carson08, Apr 29, 2008.

  1. jagtrader

    jagtrader Active Member

    Every year Albert Pujols didn't win.
     
  2. Mizzougrad96

    Mizzougrad96 Active Member

    Yeah because Bonds didn't do anything in those seasons...
     
  3. outofplace

    outofplace Well-Known Member

    Yes. Bonds was robbed that year (1991), and that was before he started expanding his hat size.
     
  4. bigpern23

    bigpern23 Well-Known Member

    1999 ... Pedro won Cy Young, though, so I'm not crying too much for Petey.

    And OPS+ is a horseshit statistic that most certainly shouldn't be used when comparing MVPs from 1942.
     
  5. Guy_Incognito

    Guy_Incognito Well-Known Member

    What does it measure BP23?
     
  6. bigpern23

    bigpern23 Well-Known Member

    It measures on-base plus slugging "adjusted for park and league." So a hitter who plays in a pitcher's park or league will get credit added to his numbers, while a hitter in a hitter's park will see his OPS+ take an adjusted hit.

    I'm not much of believer in their methods for "adjustment" anyway, but even if one were to give the sabermetricians credit for it, it's incomplete. For instance, it doesn't take into account which side of the plate they bat from, so a righty hitting in Yankee Stadium is given the same adjustment as a lefty.

    As I said, it's horseshit and to bring it into an MVP discussion of guys from 1942 is asinine.
     
  7. carson08

    carson08 New Member

     
  8. spnited

    spnited Active Member

    Anything + that is adjusted by some esoteric statistical formula -- also known as sabermetric masturbation -- is a bullshit stat.
    And why should a MVP NEVER have a .344 OBP? What is the saber minimum OBP for a MVP? .370? .400?
    And who the fuck made you the decider of such things?
     
  9. carson08

    carson08 New Member

    Jeez man, don't get so mad.


    Well if you want to give out an MVP to someone with a .344 OBP then go right ahead. .344 OBP is barely above average. So barely above average constitues an MVP now?

    And no, I'm not huge on sabermetrics. There are a lot of saber stats I don't like. But some are very good to use. I can tell you right now OPS+ tells you a lot more about a hitter than someone's RBI totals.
     
  10. spnited

    spnited Active Member

    Why is OBP your big determining factor?
    The rest of Rollins' numbers mean nothing to you?

    Top 5 in NL is OBP...2007

    Bonds-SFG **.480
    Helton-COL .434
    Pujols-STL .429
    Jones-ATL .425
    Wright-NYM .416


    So that makes Bonds your MVP?
     
  11. carson08

    carson08 New Member

    It's not my big determining factor. It's one of a few. I said Rollins over Wright, so obviously Bonds wasn't my MVP choice. Although he had a much better year than people believe he did.
     
  12. spnited

    spnited Active Member

    As a Mets fan, Carson, I can honestly say Rollins deserved it over Wright.
     
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