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Baseball Thread IV

Discussion in 'Anything goes' started by Evil Bastard (aka Chris_L), May 28, 2006.

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  1. Moderator1

    Moderator1 Moderator Staff Member

    My wife can handle being out for about an hour at a time these days so I took her out for about an hour this afternoon after the Nats game. Was a bit surprised to come home and learn that the Braves needed 11 innings to win a game in which they hit EIGHT home runs.

    It's a long line of bad bullpens in Atlanta. Is this the worst?
  2. TigerVols

    TigerVols Well-Known Member

    I guess, although having Liebrandt come out of the pen still haunts me.

    I think the Braves may very well be close to turning the corner in the BP, just like they've done everywhere else in the lineup. The answer appears to be Ken Ray, who has very good numbers so far...

  3. Oz

    Oz Well-Known Member

    The way Jason Bay is hitting, he might Albert Pujols for the league lead for home runs in the next week or so. While it might be an overstatement, he's on pace for his best season, easy.
  4. shotglass

    shotglass Guest

    Moddy, I just heard a few days ago that Zimmerman made a once-in-a-decade play about a month ago. He robbed Pete Orr of a soft line single with an unreal grab, diving directly away from the plate in short left field.

    The word on Sens' prospects down here is "eh." The 20-year-old SS, Desmond, wasn't ready for this level, got sent back down to Potomac over the weekend. Kory Costo is a solid third baseman, a No. 2-type hitter who, obviously, will either have to learn a new position or be dangled as trade bait. Roy Corcoran has been lights-out as a closer; best part of that pitching staff. And Frank Diaz ... I don't quite know what to make of him. Everybody says he's terrific; I haven't really seen it yet.

    Then again, I never remembered Vidro hitting here, and everybody told me he did. ;)
  5. broadway joe

    broadway joe Guest

    Hard to tell if the Braves have turned the corner or if they've just hit a nice soft patch of schedule. They've won 14 of 19, but 11 of those wins have come against Florida, Washington and the Cubbies. I know they're the Braves, but I'm not convinced yet.
  6. Flying Headbutt

    Flying Headbutt Moderator Staff Member

    Hey, doing that got the Mets all that early season publicity about how great they are this year.
  7. Bubbler

    Bubbler Well-Known Member

    Just curious, but what was the line of thinking when A-Rod won along the same lines with the Rangers in 2003?
  8. Moderator1

    Moderator1 Moderator Staff Member

    Shot, I saw that play along with my son the Braves fan. He dropped his jaw and said "Holy shit." A terrific play. He made another one the other day against the Astros. Yesterday, with Guillen out and Vidro resting, he batted cleanup and hit the three-run home run.
    He's the one guy they definitely won't trade.
  9. Football_Bat

    Football_Bat Well-Known Member

    Uh, Kirk's 49. But that means he was only 31 when he hobbled around the bases at Chavez Ravine. That must make him 70 in Kirk years.
  10. Starman

    Starman Well-Known Member

    "Two Swings." (As in, "the sum total of your career.")

    That was the nickname Detroit players had for Gibson around the clubhouse the last couple years, as he did his Col. Blimp/R. Lee Ermey imitation as a Tiger coach.

    :D :D
  11. nafselon

    nafselon Well-Known Member

    ESPN has no live baseball on today. Unbelievable, you'd think they would be all over the Yankees-Tigers game.
  12. Gold

    Gold Active Member

    Casty: generally the MVP theory that what a player did to help his team compete is a good one, but some of those old-time scribes also wouldn't vote for a starting pitcher as MVP. However, sometimes a player has a season that is so much better than any other player in the league that they deserve the MVP. If someone looked at the statistics today and they saw that Ozzie Smith got the MVP over Andre Dawson, they would really question it. You and I know how good a defensive shortstop Ozzie Smith is and that he is underrated on offense, but Dawson had a great season. There is the word valuable in MVP, but the award has also come to mean by implication the top player in the league and you figure this out overall.

    I still believe Andre Dawson deserved the MVP in 1987 - it was a good choice.

    Here's the problem with the Jack Lang argument - If you extend that argument literally and logically, you couldn't vote for Andre Dawson second, third, or anywhere else on your MVP ballot.

    Yeah, I read all of those guys growing up. And yeah, today there are a lot of newspaper cutbacks so some of the coverage isn't as good today. But I think for the serious baseball fan today, having the input of agents and stat people provides a better quality of information and more ability to give a better picture of things than reading Dick Young, whom I never met but found outmoded when I read him in the 1970s.

    Respectfully disagree with you on this one.
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