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Barnicle story on Grantland

Discussion in 'Journalism topics only' started by SockPuppet, Jul 11, 2011.

  1. Ben_Hecht

    Ben_Hecht Active Member

    April 20 Morning Joe will emit various odors from the self-proclaimed most-beloved ball park in America, and will feature, "Mary and Joe? That was MY idea, you ingrates!"

    Film at 11.
  2. beardpuller

    beardpuller Active Member

    Best post on the thread.
  3. henryhenry

    henryhenry Member

    "Cardinal sins".

    another pope from the 16th century speaks.

    spare us the rigid moralism - the doctor, cop and stock broker committed financial conflict of interest - like when reporters take free tickets or meals - or "co-author" books with athletes or or coaches they're supposedly reporting on - or when editors assign stories to stroke advertisers - or when talk radio pays athletes to come on as regular guests - there was no financial conflict in what barnicle did - just laziness. you've got your hierarchy of sins upside down. but you're just regurgitating something you've heard forever, and that gets repeated like some mindless catechism.

    stick to your second point - he doesn't bring much to the table.
  4. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    Just because venial sin exists doesn't mean that mortal sin does not.
  5. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    It's a crime against journalism itself.

    And, you don't think there's a financial interest in his actions? Barnicle became one of the highest paid journalists in Boston based on his fake/phony/plagiarized stories. They made him a lot of money, and they deceived his readers.

    He deserves no second chance. He knew the consequences of his actions the very first time he made up a quote, or a story. Just like every baseball player knows that gambling results in a lifetime suspension -- there are signs on the clubhouse doors -- every journalist knows the rules.

    He violated them willfully, and repeatedly.
  6. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    And, why won't MSNBC hire either Glass or Blair? Did they not make up good enough stories?

    Blair would add some much needed diversity to MSNBC's lineup.

    Glass couldn't even get admitted to the new York State Bar as a result of his fabrications.
  7. henryhenry

    henryhenry Member

    could be because barnicle's fabrications were harmless - no victims - and theirs weren't

    but probably because barnicle's wife is a powerful exec at bank america
  8. Ben_Hecht

    Ben_Hecht Active Member

    Plagiarism is for punks.
  9. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    Fabrication (fiction) undercuts the foundational premise of newsgathering (nonfiction).
  10. Boom_70

    Boom_70 Well-Known Member

    How does everyone feel about our VP being a known plagiarizer?
  11. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    Apparently it didn't bother voters. And he's not a journalist or academic.

    In Europe, however, there's been recent spate of politicians undone because they plagiarized.

  12. Boom_70

    Boom_70 Well-Known Member

    I guess it did to the point that he did not get serious consideration when he ran for President. Last go around his Obama comments did not help much either.
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