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BALCO legacy stymied Mitchell

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by creamora, Dec 17, 2007.

  1. creamora

    creamora Member

    Over fifty million dollars spent by the federal government and over fifty million dollars spent by MLB and what do we really have to show for a combined 100 million dollar investment over five years? The longest sentence in the BALCO case is 30 months in a "club fed" for a lawyer leaking evidence to the media. The longest sentence for a supplier was four months with no co-operation required. However, baseball is making more money now than ever and still has a totally inept drug testing program in place. This article below sums up the entire fiasco pretty well.

    Jonathan Littman does a fairly good job of describing the net results
    of the combined 100 millons dollars spent below.

    "Ninety to one.

    That's the ratio to chew on. Proportions matter. Perceptions count. Ninety current and former players named in the Mitchell report and only one in the dock, the government's certifiable scapegoat, Barry Bonds.

    The slam-dunk case against Roger Clemens – better than anything the government has mustered so far against Bonds – makes one wonder. Where was the grand jury and perjury trap for Clemens? Why didn't the government set him up for a fall?"

    http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=li-bondsmitchell121607&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
     
  2. outofplace

    outofplace Well-Known Member

    You know how to avoid a perjury trap? Don't lie.
     
  3. Gold

    Gold Active Member

    No, take the fifth amendment
     
  4. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    What is your point, creamora? Is it that Barry Bonds, Marion Jones and close to 30 other athletes are being persecuted? Is it that Victor Conte was wrongly persecuted?

    Forget the dollar amounts. And forget major league baseball. Are all of those people exactly who the public believes they are/were -- some drug dealers and the steroid users those dealers were supplying? If so, please explain your agenda on each of these threads. Maybe in most of our minds these aren't the crimes of the century. But these people (especially the BALCO crew, which you inordinately focus on) are guilty of what they were accused. There is no miscarriage of justice when they broke the law and pled guilty to what they got caught doing. That IS justice.

    I'll grant you this. There are lots of suppliers laughing their asses off today, because they haven't gotten caught by the Feds and their names were nowhere near the Mitchell Report. In scope, my guess is that Kirk Radomski had much greater reach in major league baseball than Victor Conte did, although I can't know that for sure, because while Radomski had incentive to spill his guts as part of his plea agreement, Conte has only ever copped to what he has gotten caught doing red-handed. In any case, even if Conte was the smallest fish in a pond full of great white sharks, he still was swimming with the sharks. Your arguments at times have seemed to sound like: "If we can't catch everyone, we shouldn't bother with any of them." That isn't how most people feel, though. The BALCO boys broke the law. They got caught because their playground was a dangerous one -- the world of track & field and its petty rivalries. The story kind of ends there. Broke the law/ Got caught. Got a lot of attention because of the names of the people they were selling drugs to. Went to prison. Served/ And the 15 minutes of fame ended, even if the lead BALCO player is working hard to make himself into a Surreal Life character.
     
  5. Boom_70

    Boom_70 Well-Known Member

    War on illegal drugs is never going to be mathematically justifiable. Just look at the 40 billion that is spent on trying to stop sale of narcotics.

    The arguments for are always going to be subjective and qualitative.

    You cannot look at it through ratios.
     
  6. Inky_Wretch

    Inky_Wretch Well-Known Member

    So let's start giving 'roids to everybody. Let's put every child on HGH. And let's make the cream and clear as accessible as Coke and Pepsi.

    It's the American way!
     
  7. No.
    But let's think about the incredibly futile waste of time and money in the war against some drugs.
     
  8. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    That's a legit argument. One I agree with, actually. It's also NOT the argument creamora makes on these threads. Until as a country we do decide that it is futile and a waste of time, anyone who deals drug is still knowingly doing something that is against the law. I suppose you could deal drugs as an act of civil disobedience -- because you believe the law is stupid, you are going to violate it and be ready to face the consequences for doing so. Of course that doesn't characterize any of these small handful of dealers the Feds have snagged.
     
  9. outofplace

    outofplace Well-Known Member

    Does any of that justify the use of steroids and other performance enhancing drugs? Does it justify perjury? Because no matter how foolish the expenditures might have been, it doesn't change what Bonds or any of the other people being investigated actually did.
     
  10. Inky_Wretch

    Inky_Wretch Well-Known Member

    Fen, I object to Victor Conte being portrayed as a noble American being victimized by the Feds.
     
  11. zeke12

    zeke12 Guest

    Sustained.

    Go in another direction, Mr. Bastard.
     
  12. 21

    21 Well-Known Member

    How did Fenian portray Conte as a victim or a hero?

    He said the steroid chase was a massive waste of tax dollars.

    And considering steroid use and abuse affects a profoundly miniscule percentage of the population (I know, THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!), it's not impossible to see his point, is it?
     
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