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Mystery_Meat · Jun 27, 2008

Here's the answer:

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old_tony · Jun 27, 2008

Alma said:

Drilling in ANWR as a solution to our energy problem is akin to thinking a new teen section in Wednesday's newspaper would save the industry as a whole. It won't, and everybody knows it. By the time we actually used what the refuge produces, we could have overhauled our entire plan of attack for energy independence to electricity, wind, etc.

ANWR is a pawn, one of the concessions the GOP is currently requiring as a means of getting serious about alternative/green power. Nothing more.

Be for it, be against it, just know what it is. A bargaining chip in a negotiation. Acting as though it's some imperative - as some in the GOP would have you believe - or the first part of an "if/then" statement ("if we drill ANWR, then we can pursue wind power") is sheer politicizing. Anyone bleating "ANWR! ANWR! ANWR!" is precisely as he or she sounds: a sheep following the directive of a few talking heads, who are in the pocket of those who'd like to squeeze a few more dimes out of the oil game before making the Big Switch. ANWR is nothing more than a provincial, childish "NO! I don't WANNA!" from a select few.

FWIW, energy companies do know what's at stake. Many of them are tired of the status quo, and trying harder than you think to ditch the Cold War "two powers for one oil" mentality for a fresh viewpoint. Some are mobilizing for a big push that will reinvent our power profile and make them a lot of money to boot. Hopefully, we can see privatized version of all the TVA jobs created during the New Deal.

On this issue, leftist defeatism - we've got all the answers, but nobody will <i> listen </i> to us! - is worthless. This is America, not Ideologica, and while you might preach to a minority choir on the values of mass conservation, you've got to be able to highlight the financial benefits in a capitalist society. If the left understood that you can make the green revolution laden with tax incentives, this debate could be further along the path. It's probably unseemly to bait companies with the promise of money on an issue many view as moral, but it's an honest bait, at least, because great benefits await the nation that first embraces a new energy profile.

For me, this issue is moral, yes, because I want to be a good steward of the Earth. But the moral issue has been pressed enough. Time, instead, to look at the tangible benefits of clean energy: New jobs, cheaper bills, an opportunity for American companies to dominate the green market before Europe and Japan get there. That's the key: Develop the technology (apparatus, efficient modes of delivery, etc) first, own it, then sell it to the world. Doing the right thing can be profitable.

Bill Gates sold America on the PC as a new kind of independence, a staple in every home. It's time to stop demanding alternative energy, and start truly selling it. Companies have been softened enough up to actually listen, and invest.
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That's a lot of words to leave out the most important point:

The Big Switch to what?

alleyallen · Jun 27, 2008

old_tony said:

Alma said:

Drilling in ANWR as a solution to our energy problem is akin to thinking a new teen section in Wednesday's newspaper would save the industry as a whole. It won't, and everybody knows it. By the time we actually used what the refuge produces, we could have overhauled our entire plan of attack for energy independence to electricity, wind, etc.

ANWR is a pawn, one of the concessions the GOP is currently requiring as a means of getting serious about alternative/green power. Nothing more.

Be for it, be against it, just know what it is. A bargaining chip in a negotiation. Acting as though it's some imperative - as some in the GOP would have you believe - or the first part of an "if/then" statement ("if we drill ANWR, then we can pursue wind power") is sheer politicizing. Anyone bleating "ANWR! ANWR! ANWR!" is precisely as he or she sounds: a sheep following the directive of a few talking heads, who are in the pocket of those who'd like to squeeze a few more dimes out of the oil game before making the Big Switch. ANWR is nothing more than a provincial, childish "NO! I don't WANNA!" from a select few.

FWIW, energy companies do know what's at stake. Many of them are tired of the status quo, and trying harder than you think to ditch the Cold War "two powers for one oil" mentality for a fresh viewpoint. Some are mobilizing for a big push that will reinvent our power profile and make them a lot of money to boot. Hopefully, we can see privatized version of all the TVA jobs created during the New Deal.

On this issue, leftist defeatism - we've got all the answers, but nobody will <i> listen </i> to us! - is worthless. This is America, not Ideologica, and while you might preach to a minority choir on the values of mass conservation, you've got to be able to highlight the financial benefits in a capitalist society. If the left understood that you can make the green revolution laden with tax incentives, this debate could be further along the path. It's probably unseemly to bait companies with the promise of money on an issue many view as moral, but it's an honest bait, at least, because great benefits await the nation that first embraces a new energy profile.

For me, this issue is moral, yes, because I want to be a good steward of the Earth. But the moral issue has been pressed enough. Time, instead, to look at the tangible benefits of clean energy: New jobs, cheaper bills, an opportunity for American companies to dominate the green market before Europe and Japan get there. That's the key: Develop the technology (apparatus, efficient modes of delivery, etc) first, own it, then sell it to the world. Doing the right thing can be profitable.

Bill Gates sold America on the PC as a new kind of independence, a staple in every home. It's time to stop demanding alternative energy, and start truly selling it. Companies have been softened enough up to actually listen, and invest.
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That's a lot of words to leave out the most important point:

The Big Switch to what?
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Hot air escaping from your mouth?

old_tony · Jun 27, 2008

If a conservative telling the truth is "hot air," then that does increase the chances of man-made global warming being more than a fairy tale of the left.

Ace · Jun 27, 2008

old_tony said:

If a conservative telling the truth is "hot air," then that does increase the chances of man-made global warming being more than a fairy tale of the left.
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Since when does asking a question equate to telling the truth?

alleyallen · Jun 27, 2008

I'm convinced. O_T clearly has evidence that virtually every worldwide and reputable science organization doesn't have, therefore global warming is a myth.

Inky_Wretch · Jun 27, 2008

AlleyAllen said:

I'm convinced. O_T clearly has evidence that virtually every worldwide and reputable science organization doesn't have, therefore global warming is a myth.
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And the world is flat too!

alleyallen · Jun 27, 2008

Inky_Wretch said:

AlleyAllen said:

I'm convinced. O_T clearly has evidence that virtually every worldwide and reputable science organization doesn't have, therefore global warming is a myth.
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And the world is flat too!
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The round Earth concept was dreamed up by treehuggers who faked the moon landing.

Smallpotatoes · Jun 27, 2008

Mystery Meat said:

Here's the answer:

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The red x is always a good solution.

Inky_Wretch · Jun 27, 2008

Smallpotatoes said:

Mystery Meat said:

Here's the answer:

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The red x is always a good solution.
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It's a very Zen concept that isn't easily understood.

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