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"And it wasn't that close"

Discussion in 'Journalism topics only' started by TheMethod, Sep 26, 2007.

  1. When is 35-14 considered close? That's a blowout in anyone's book.
     
  2. Smallpotatoes

    Smallpotatoes Well-Known Member

    If you're going to use that line, you'd better be able to back it up in the story.
    The same goes for the soccer game that a team loses, but out-played the other team.
     
  3. Some Guy

    Some Guy Active Member

    well, yeah, of course.
     
  4. Johnny Dangerously

    Johnny Dangerously Well-Known Member

    Georgia Tech 222, Cumberland 0.
    And it wasn't really that close.
     
  5. Ace

    Ace Well-Known Member

    Yeah. Could easily have been 223-0 with a decent kicker.
     
  6. forever_town

    forever_town Well-Known Member

    I don't like it UNLESS 1) one of the players/coaches, etc. says it or 2) you introduce a lot of evidence. Perhaps West Dipshit had 643 yards to Bumblefuck's 97. Perhaps the 14 points came when the West Dipshit quarterback deliberately threw interceptions to Bumblefuck for touchdowns.

    A time when "the game was much closer than the 35-14 score suggested" can work is if you write evidence: "but the game was tied at 14 with 5:26 to go in the fourth quarter. West Dipshit had 394 total yards to Bumblefuck's 392, but Bumblefuck dominated time of possession 38:26 to 21:34 and rushed for 230 of its yards on the ground."

    Of course, a coach or player -- especially from West Dipshit -- saying that would make things 1,000 times better.
     
  7. BillyT

    BillyT Active Member

    The Belfry Bats beat the Greenwich Witches, 7-6, but it wasn't that close.
     
  8. txsportsscribe

    txsportsscribe Active Member

    you wouldn't write something like that if you had children of your own.
     
  9. ESPN.com today:

    HANGZHOU, China -- Controversy is almost as foreign to the United States women's national team as losing, but coach Greg Ryan's team found both all too easily against Brazil on Thursday.

    A 4-0 loss in the Women's World Cup semifinals that wasn't even as close as the score indicated was bad enough, relegating the team to Sunday's meaningless third-place game for the second World Cup in a row.
    --

    It wasn't even as close as...4-0?

    How not-close was it, then?
     
  10. chazp

    chazp Active Member

    In a football story it's often used when the losing team scored one or two late touchdowns to make the score look closer. In this case, I don't have a problem using it.
     
  11. BTExpress

    BTExpress Well-Known Member

    Well, duh.

    But the "not really that close" line allows you to tell the reader in the first two paragraphs that the game was decided early.

    If you ignore that line, then depending on how it is written, the reader may not find out how uncompetitive the game was until halfway through the story.

    You can't just assume saying "took a 35-0 halftime lead en route to a 35-27 victory" does the job, because many teams DO make legitmate comebacks that make the score every bit as close as the game was. Other times it's simply the winning team milking the clock or putting in its reserves that caused the "closer" score. So there is a place for the line.

    Of course we don't "need" the line.

    But then, we don't really "need" about 99 percent of the lines we write. There are always other ways to say things. But given space and deadline constraints, most writers don't have the time to search out that "other way" just to avoid a line that is a pet peeve with some people.

    These kinds of things are all over the place in sportswriting. Not much you can do about them. Certainly not worth getting all bent out of shape about.
     
  12. luckyducky

    luckyducky Guest

    Echoing what some other folks said, there are other ways to say it. Personally, I hate the phrase and I hope I never become so lazy in my writing that I feel the need to use it. If you're really a good writer, you can get the point across without sounding like you're giving the 30 second highlights on sportscenter.
     
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