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Analytics and the decline of Baseball's popularity?

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by qtlaw, Mar 12, 2019.

  1. Starman

    Starman Well-Known Member

    I think it's true in all sports; a significant number of teams go into each season making no pretense of trying to win.
     
  2. justgladtobehere

    justgladtobehere Well-Known Member

    The first half is not true and the second half exhibits a fundamental understanding of the relationship between batting average and OBP.
     
  3. bigpern23

    bigpern23 Well-Known Member

    Yep, my bad. The list I read ended in 2017. The key graph from the story you linked: "April’s schedule included a record 28 postponements and 102 games played in temperatures under 50 degrees. The season ended with 54 postponements – the most since 1989 – with 26 on weekends, when teams typically draw their highest numbers."

    The point remains. If one time in 15 years attendance drops below 70 million — which was likely caused by record foul weather — are we really going act as if baseball's popularity is "on the decline?" If you look at ballpark attendance on a graph, it's basically been a straight line for 20 years.
     
  4. swingline

    swingline Well-Known Member

    The Cardinals, for one, are a metronome of attendance with 3.3 million to 3.5 million a season. I think only the Dodgers and Yankees draw more.
     
  5. bigpern23

    bigpern23 Well-Known Member

    "April’s schedule included a record 28 postponements and 102 games played in temperatures under 50 degrees. The season ended with 54 postponements – the most since 1989 – with 26 on weekends, when teams typically draw their highest numbers."

    Also, attendance didn't drop for six straight years. After a slight uptick in 2015, it declined three years in a row, only slightly (less than 1 percent) in 2016 and 2017.
     
  6. playthrough

    playthrough Moderator Staff Member

    I'm not giving baseball a pass for postponements and shitty weather, they're the ones moving up the start of the season and refusing to start the season exclusively in warmer climes. (Maybe you can't avoid all the bad weather, but they can try harder.)

    If you're looking at per-game, it was a VERY slight uptick in 2015 -- four fans per game. But total attendance, down six straight years. At least according to Baseball-Reference:

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  7. RickStain

    RickStain Well-Known Member

    The main thing is that the reason probably isn’t a way that baseball was different when you were a kid and you miss that part.
     
  8. Starman

    Starman Well-Known Member

    Certainly BA has been deemphasized in favor of OBP and in succession, OPS. BA is a component factor of OBP.

    Back in the Sixties/Seventies, little attention was paid to walk rates. If you hit .300, it was a really big deal.
     
  9. justgladtobehere

    justgladtobehere Well-Known Member

    Teams don't want a schedule that isn't balanced throughout the season. Summer dates are the best attended so the warm weather teams would be shafted by playing more home games in April. You also have limits on length of road trips, which would probably mean weird lengths of home stands and more travel.
     
  10. justgladtobehere

    justgladtobehere Well-Known Member

    People talk about OBP because it is a better indicator of offensive value. People don't deemphasize hitting for average. It is just now part of a bigger picture.
     
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  11. TheSportsPredictor

    TheSportsPredictor Well-Known Member

    Why hasn't the NBA's popularity been ruined by analytics?
     
  12. RickStain

    RickStain Well-Known Member

    I don’t know, but to me the NBA has never been about stats to the fans the way baseball has. The NBA is about hero worship, MLB is about fans feeling smart. Finding out everything they knew about baseball was wrong hurt a lot.
     
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