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AL Cy Young?

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Shaggy, Aug 26, 2009.

  1. Songbird

    Songbird Well-Known Member

    Against the hoi polloi of the AL -- Boston, New York, Chicago, L.A., Texas, Tampa Bay -- Halladay is 7-5 with 2 no-decisions.

    Against them he's thrown 101 innings and allowed 37 earned runs (3.29 ERA)

    Vs.

    Boston ...........14 IP, 5 ER, 1-1 record
    NYY ...............25 IP, 10 ER, 1-1 record (1 ND)
    CWW .............14 IP, 4 ER, 2-0 record
    LAA ...............17 IP, 9 ER, 1-1 record
    Texas .............8 IP, 5 ER, 0-1 record
    Tampa Bay.......23 IP, 4 ER, 1-1 record (1 ND)

    Minnesota has become hot lately, but Halladay faced them back on April 16 (7 IP, 1 ER, win).

    He has a 13-7 record, even though he's been shelled 2 straight games, and has a really impressive 159/24 K/BB ratio.

    That's a pretty solid all-around season, more than comparable to Greinke, and he has 6 complete games and 1 shutout.
     
  2. JC

    JC Well-Known Member

    good year, Greinke's is better.
     
  3. Oz

    Oz Well-Known Member

    Greinke against ...

    Boston ...........No games yet (probably September)
    NYY ...............No games yet (probably September)
    CWW .............35 IP, 9 ER, 2-2 record (1 ND)
    LAA ...............8 IP, 1 ER, 0-1 record
    Texas .............16 IP, 1 ER, 1-1 record
    Tampa Bay.......12 IP, 7 ER, 0-1 record (1 ND where he gave up 1 run in 7 innings)

    Against them he's thrown 71 innings and allowed 18 earned runs. Greinke's pitched roughly 70 percent of the innings but given up half the runs Halladay did. And let's keep in mind Greinke can't face the worst offense in the game, the Royals, as Joe Posnanski noted in today's blog. How some Cy Young candidates fared against the Royals ...

    Roy Halladay: 1-0, 0.00 ERA
    Josh Beckett: 1-0, 0.00 ERA
    C.C. Sabathia: 1-0, 0.00 ERA
    Scott Feldman: 1-0, 0.00 ERA
    Jon Lester: 1-0, 0.00 ERA
    Justin Verlander: 2-0, 2.08 ERA — 19 Ks in 13 innings
    King Felix: Has not faced Royals yet .. might in coming week
     
  4. Songbird

    Songbird Well-Known Member

    OK, those are good, solid numbers against the the best. Well, as much of the best as can be considering he hasn't faced the Sox and Yanks.

    Maybe that will be the true determining point. Let's see what he does against them and revisit the numbers then.
     
  5. Shaggy

    Shaggy Guest

    That's incredible, a great indication of how awful the Royals' offense is.
     
  6. Oz

    Oz Well-Known Member

    Those games with the Red Sox (Sept. 21-24) and Yankees (Sept. 28-30) certainly look like showcase games to secure the Cy Young if Greinke keeps this up.

    When he missed the four-game series at Fenway right before the All-Star break, he had pitched a Wednesday game and was set up perfectly to start the All-Star Game. And he got robbed. I'm guessing the Royals want Greinke play the Red Sox and Yankees next month to help his cause.
     
  7. Songbird

    Songbird Well-Known Member

    Let's put this out there: If, by a simple twist of fate, Greinke doesn't face the Sox and Yanks this season, can he win the Cy Young legitimately?
     
  8. cwilson3

    cwilson3 Member

    Obvious choice is Jeremy Sowers, he's a lefty that plays for Cleveland.
     
  9. Oz

    Oz Well-Known Member

    Yes. He doesn't control who he pitches against, he can only control what he does on the mound. He's dominated the Angels, he's dominated the Rangers (twice), he's dominated just about everyone he's faced. Say he faces only one of the two teams, that makes Greinke no different than Beckett, who nearly won in 2007 when Sabathia got it.

    Greinke's been the best pitcher in baseball this season, hurt only by the worst run support in baseball (he ranks 59th out of 59 AL starters with at least 80 innings pitched).

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/pitching/_/split/127/league/al/sort/runSupportAvg/count/41/type/expanded-2/minip/80

    Which contributes to losses and no decisions like this ...

    May 9 -- 8 innings, 1 run, Royals lose 1-0 at Angels
    May 21 -- 6 innings, 2 runs, Royals lose 8-3 at Indians because bullpen blows it (ND)
    July 3 -- 6 innings, 2 runs, Royals lose 5-0 against White Sox
    July 8 -- 6 innings, 3 runs, Royals lose 3-1 at Tigers
    July 18 -- 7 innings, 1 run, Royals lose 4-2 against Rays because bullpen blows it (ND)
    July 24 -- 7 innings, 1 run, Royals lose 2-0 against Rangers
    July 29 -- 6 innings, 2 runs, Royals lose 7-3 at Orioles because bullpen blows it (ND)
    August 14 -- 7 innings, 0 runs, Royals lose 1-0 at Detroit

    EDIT -- Forgot to list the opponents when I did that list, but got them now.
     
  10. JC

    JC Well-Known Member

    not a 2 team league and he doesn't get to face the Royals like the rest do.
     
  11. spnited

    spnited Active Member

    At this point, it's Greinke.
    By Oct. 4, who knows.
     
  12. JR

    JR Well-Known Member

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