AL and NL MVPs

outofplace · Sep 16, 2014

Gehrig said:

I don't understand the whole "pitchers shouldn't win the MVP" meme. The voting rules specifically state that pitchers are eligible and should be given consideration. This is sent to every MVP voter.

Dear Voter:

There is no clear-cut definition of what Most Valuable means. It is up to the individual voter to decide who was the Most Valuable Player in each league to his team. The MVP need not come from a division winner or other playoff qualifier.

The rules of the voting remain the same as they were written on the first ballot in 1931:

1. Actual value of a player to his team, that is, strength of offense and defense.

2. Number of games played.

3. General character, disposition, loyalty and effort.

4. Former winners are eligible.

5. Members of the committee may vote for more than one member of a team.

You are also urged to give serious consideration to all your selections, from 1 to 10. A 10th-place vote can influence the outcome of an election. You must fill in all 10 places on your ballot. Only regular-season performances are to be taken into consideration.

Keep in mind that all players are eligible for MVP, including pitchers and designated hitters.
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For an MVP voter to ignore the voting rules and use their own rules is ridiculous. If an MVP voter cannot abide by the voting rules then he/she should be stripped of voting privileges.
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The rules say pitchers should be given consideration. They do not require that pitchers win the award. Also, please note in the rules that you quoted, the number of games played is listed as one of the criteria for the MVP Award. That one certainly hurts starting pitchers.

Gehrig · Sep 16, 2014

outofplace said:

Gehrig said:

I don't understand the whole "pitchers shouldn't win the MVP" meme. The voting rules specifically state that pitchers are eligible and should be given consideration. This is sent to every MVP voter.

Dear Voter:

There is no clear-cut definition of what Most Valuable means. It is up to the individual voter to decide who was the Most Valuable Player in each league to his team. The MVP need not come from a division winner or other playoff qualifier.

The rules of the voting remain the same as they were written on the first ballot in 1931:

1. Actual value of a player to his team, that is, strength of offense and defense.

2. Number of games played.

3. General character, disposition, loyalty and effort.

4. Former winners are eligible.

5. Members of the committee may vote for more than one member of a team.

You are also urged to give serious consideration to all your selections, from 1 to 10. A 10th-place vote can influence the outcome of an election. You must fill in all 10 places on your ballot. Only regular-season performances are to be taken into consideration.

Keep in mind that all players are eligible for MVP, including pitchers and designated hitters.
Click to expand...

For an MVP voter to ignore the voting rules and use their own rules is ridiculous. If an MVP voter cannot abide by the voting rules then he/she should be stripped of voting privileges.
Click to expand...

The rules say pitchers should be given consideration. They do not require that pitchers win the award. Also, please note in the rules that you quoted, the number of games played is listed as one of the criteria for the MVP Award. That one certainly hurts starting pitchers.
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I didn't say pitchers are required to win the award. What I find silly is when voters say they will NEVER vote for a pitcher. Using rule 2 as a justification for never voting for a pitcher is nonsense. That is violating the voting rules. And historically the voters have given strong consideration to pitchers. Carl Hubbell is a 2-time MVP for example.

outofplace · Sep 16, 2014

Gehrig said:

outofplace said:

Gehrig said:

I don't understand the whole "pitchers shouldn't win the MVP" meme. The voting rules specifically state that pitchers are eligible and should be given consideration. This is sent to every MVP voter.

Dear Voter:

There is no clear-cut definition of what Most Valuable means. It is up to the individual voter to decide who was the Most Valuable Player in each league to his team. The MVP need not come from a division winner or other playoff qualifier.

The rules of the voting remain the same as they were written on the first ballot in 1931:

1. Actual value of a player to his team, that is, strength of offense and defense.

2. Number of games played.

3. General character, disposition, loyalty and effort.

4. Former winners are eligible.

5. Members of the committee may vote for more than one member of a team.

You are also urged to give serious consideration to all your selections, from 1 to 10. A 10th-place vote can influence the outcome of an election. You must fill in all 10 places on your ballot. Only regular-season performances are to be taken into consideration.

Keep in mind that all players are eligible for MVP, including pitchers and designated hitters.
Click to expand...

For an MVP voter to ignore the voting rules and use their own rules is ridiculous. If an MVP voter cannot abide by the voting rules then he/she should be stripped of voting privileges.
Click to expand...

The rules say pitchers should be given consideration. They do not require that pitchers win the award. Also, please note in the rules that you quoted, the number of games played is listed as one of the criteria for the MVP Award. That one certainly hurts starting pitchers.
Click to expand...

I didn't say pitchers are required to win the award. What I find silly is when voters say they will NEVER vote for a pitcher. Using rule 2 as a justification for never voting for a pitcher is nonsense. That is violating the voting rules. And historically the voters have given strong consideration to pitchers. Carl Hubbell is a 2-time MVP for example.
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I'm not defending voters who refuse to consider a pitcher. I am saying Rule 2 very good justification for considering a pitcher, then choosing somebody else.

Gehrig · Sep 16, 2014

outofplace said:

Gehrig said:

outofplace said:

Gehrig said:

I don't understand the whole "pitchers shouldn't win the MVP" meme. The voting rules specifically state that pitchers are eligible and should be given consideration. This is sent to every MVP voter.

Dear Voter:

There is no clear-cut definition of what Most Valuable means. It is up to the individual voter to decide who was the Most Valuable Player in each league to his team. The MVP need not come from a division winner or other playoff qualifier.

The rules of the voting remain the same as they were written on the first ballot in 1931:

1. Actual value of a player to his team, that is, strength of offense and defense.

2. Number of games played.

3. General character, disposition, loyalty and effort.

4. Former winners are eligible.

5. Members of the committee may vote for more than one member of a team.

You are also urged to give serious consideration to all your selections, from 1 to 10. A 10th-place vote can influence the outcome of an election. You must fill in all 10 places on your ballot. Only regular-season performances are to be taken into consideration.

Keep in mind that all players are eligible for MVP, including pitchers and designated hitters.
Click to expand...

For an MVP voter to ignore the voting rules and use their own rules is ridiculous. If an MVP voter cannot abide by the voting rules then he/she should be stripped of voting privileges.
Click to expand...

The rules say pitchers should be given consideration. They do not require that pitchers win the award. Also, please note in the rules that you quoted, the number of games played is listed as one of the criteria for the MVP Award. That one certainly hurts starting pitchers.
Click to expand...

I didn't say pitchers are required to win the award. What I find silly is when voters say they will NEVER vote for a pitcher. Using rule 2 as a justification for never voting for a pitcher is nonsense. That is violating the voting rules. And historically the voters have given strong consideration to pitchers. Carl Hubbell is a 2-time MVP for example.
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I'm not defending voters who refuse to consider a pitcher. I am saying Rule 2 very good justification for considering a pitcher, then choosing somebody else.
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I agree with this.

Michael_ Gee · Sep 16, 2014

Pitchers have won the MVP before. They will so so again, and I'll be thunderstruck if Kershaw doesn't win this year.

outofplace · Sep 17, 2014

jr/shotglass said:

Yeah. That admission will just about finish it. Feel free to have the final word.
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Hey, the cryptic Penn State apologist put me in is sig! Cool!

nmmetsfan · Sep 18, 2014

The rules also say the MVP need not come from a division winner or playoff qualifier, but most voters ignore that.

outofplace · Sep 18, 2014

nmmetsfan said:

The rules also say the MVP need not come from a division winner or playoff qualifier, but most voters ignore that.
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Just because they favor players whose teams make the playoffs does not mean they are ignoring the rules.

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