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A theory on the trouble at metros

Discussion in 'Journalism topics only' started by JayFarrar, Jul 5, 2008.

  1. Frank_Ridgeway

    Frank_Ridgeway Well-Known Member

    One thing I forgot to mention is that the recent fad of the daily newspaper starting "niche products" is a double-edged sword. On the one hand, it is an excellent defensive strategy in preventing someone else from starting a local mag, etc. But while it helps a company's bottom line, it hurts the bottom line of the daily. Each advertiser still has X dollars per year to spend on ads. If it starts spending in one of the niche products, usually at a far cheaper rate than the daily, there is a corresponding reduction of its advertising in the daily.
     
  2. Riddick

    Riddick Active Member

    Well, here's another one of my problems. ESPN and CNNSI are making money with their websites. Why aren't we?
    I was talking to a stranger at a bar last night, and he said he's all for reading a newspaper on the Internet, but what good does it do us if we're not going to charge him for it.
     
  3. henryhenry

    henryhenry Member

    content isn't the problem.

    it's the business side. they're clueless.
     
  4. Sean Smyth

    Sean Smyth Member

    Do we know that for fact? Or do the outlets in question view them as loss-leaders? Or do they benefit immeasurably for not trying to add a Web site onto an existing print business model?
     
  5. I think one of the key factors in how our industry and many others develop in the coming decade(s) is going to be who figures out how to make substantial advertising money off web sites. I have no ideas in that regard, however, and apparently most others are in the same boat.

    Banner ads are just visual ``background noise'' and are rarely clicked on. Pop-up ads are either blocked or annoy readers. Emails sent to viewers who sign in are ignored or deleted.

    I will be very interested to see who comes up with something else that works.
     
  6. Frank_Ridgeway

    Frank_Ridgeway Well-Known Member

    I doubt they are. If they were, a newspaper would have kidnapped one of their employees and water-boarded him until he gave up the secret. And every newspaper would be doing it by now.
     
  7. Football_Bat

    Football_Bat Well-Known Member

    Most of the suburbans I know are struggling too.

    And you are exactly right about Alltel. We lost a writer right about the time K-Mart went tits up.
     
  8. 2underpar

    2underpar Active Member

    in my shop, it seems they have gone away from local advertisers and trended toward national ads because they come in camera ready and it takes a lot of manpower hours to build the local ad for smaller businesse. also, they seem to have priced the little guys out of the market. I see tons of local advertisers and classifieds in the area shopper.
     
  9. pressmurphy

    pressmurphy Member

    Big web sites make money. There comes a point at which economies of scale kick in and the difference in expenses between serving 1 billion page views a month or 1.2 billion are virtually nil. They sell the additional 200 million ad impressions at virtually no additional cost.

    On the other hand, a newspaper whose circ goes up 20 percent incurs new expenses (newsprint at $700 per metric ton, additional mailroom hardware and employees, delivery fleet, etc.). Granted, there's a revenue upside as well (circ revenue, a pricier rate card), but the ROI still can't match the online ROI.
     
  10. pressmurphy

    pressmurphy Member

    I can think of some papers where content is in fact a problem -- too much wire, not enough hyper-local material that the competition can't match. The related question however is this: Did the content get worse because a business decision was made to cut resources, or did the resources get cut because the newsroom wasn't maximizing their use.

    Don't let pride or ego cloud your thinking. I worked at a mid-sized metro that didn't do a very good job of getting the most from its newsroom staff and expense budget. Way too many writers who were doing their three or four stories a week when they could have been doing five or six.

    That newsroom was virtually immune from personnel cuts at the same time circ and production departments were getting ravaged. It was only late last year that they started cutting newsroom positions, and there are still writers whose byline counts aren't where they should be considering what their beats and responsibilities are.

    I don't mean to be ripping on writers or editors. I just think it's too convenient to blame the business side for being "clueless" when it's an indistry-wide problem (and not an isolated local one) that we're talking about.
     
  11. FuturaBold

    FuturaBold Member

    I appreciated this post a lot, Frank ... the problem now in our shop is that there isn't much value on the salespeople building those relationships, etc. It's just "sell, sell, sell -- we need the money!"

    Our ad rep came to me one day all in a panic (I'm the sports editor). "We've got to have something, anything to sell in June. What can we do sports-related that might sell? Corporate says we're short on revenue."

    In that panic atmosphere, how is any ad rep going to come across looking like they care about their clients? All because corporate screams that we're not making enough $$$ to satisfy their investors... Yes, I'd put the blame higher up the chain as well...
     
  12. FuturaBold

    FuturaBold Member

    again, I agree with this ... I'm on the leadership team of a local church basketball league. We wanted to run an ad promoting sign-ups for the next season. The league director wanted to make a "big splash". I looked into a quarter-page ad, at non-profit rate, at our shop and it cost like $1,000 (we're a non-daily). There's no way we can afford that. We went with a tiny, no-splash ad (still a hefty price) and focused on getting the word out through brochures, etc. at the schools...
     
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