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A column to make you cringe

Discussion in 'Journalism topics only' started by caesarsghost, Jan 17, 2007.

  1. fishwrapper

    fishwrapper Active Member

    I'm neither 24 or shackled to a desk. The times have changed.


    We, as an industry, have credibility issues with the public and should not do anything that would further compromise our credibility.
    Accepting tickets. Wear that [SPONSOR HERE] sweatshirt. Wear that [SPONSOR HERE] hat.
    It's not worth it, anymore. We're shooting ourselves in the foot.
    John Carroll, a lecturer at Harvard's John F. Kennedy School of Government and former LA Times editor, has a fascinating lecture on this very subject. I can't post it, because it's not my property, but if you request it through Harvard, the lecture is: "Return to Sender."

    Just saying.
  2. DyePack

    DyePack New Member

    Probably not a good thing to have situations like futuristic columns running as-is in almost every paper in a chain, either.

    But there's not much hand-wringing about that.
  3. fishwrapper

    fishwrapper Active Member

    For once, I'm with you. ;)
    I just cringe every time I see his name or hear his work mentioned.
    We're not alone. He got crushed at a couple APSE meetings last year.
    He's taken a hit, too. He's no longer untouchable.
  4. Herbert Anchovy

    Herbert Anchovy Active Member

    fishwrapper, the column is intolerable. Not much debatable about that. But journalism is hardly the only profession with credibility issues. A country lawyer from the sticks isn't flayed alive in front of his peers for pulling the same crap that goes on all the way to the top of the ladder.

    This guy's not the first to do it and he won't be the last. The behavior has been introduced and learned at some level.

    Nobody wants to hear this, but it's time to at least start thinking about a certifying license to practice journalism. All other disciplines that wish to be taken seriously do so.
  5. fishwrapper

    fishwrapper Active Member

    You're com
    You are comparing apples and bullshit.
    Attorneys don't sell credibility or truth. They sell effectiveness.
    Your analogous conclusion is a false one.
  6. McNuggetsMan

    McNuggetsMan Active Member

    Wasn't that column in the SI Swimsuit Issue that year? So, wasn't he really taking an all-expense paid trip FROM HIS EMPLOYER to ogle swimsuit models? What the hell else kind of a column is he going to write for that issue?

    Who are you going to rip next? All the guys who take a free trip to the Super Bowl on the company dime to file stories?
  7. ballscribe

    ballscribe Active Member

    For all those who speculated this writer was a newbie who didn't know the ropes, I submit to you a clip from an obituary on said writer's mentor, Gatecliff (thanks to Google):

    ..."You knew if Jack asked you to cover something and you couldn't, he'd go out and do it himself," said Bill Potrecz, a 15-year veteran of the Standard's sports department. "His dedication was legendary."

    That was in Sept. 2000, kids. So over 20 years in the business. Groan.
  8. Double J

    Double J Active Member

    Canada feels the same way about you, Dye.

    Oh, and the paper I mentioned and you deleted? The Simcoe Reformer. I don't work there and I don't personally know anyone who does. Since it's a newspaper where actual journalism is done, you obviously don't work there either.
  9. Norman Stansfield

    Norman Stansfield Active Member

    If he's never been taught the difference, how in the FUCK does he have that job? Even if it is in Podunk, Canada, or wherever else.

    Inexcusable and embarrassing, to say the least.
  10. RedSmithClone

    RedSmithClone Active Member

    I agree with Tom on this one.

    What may have been a better way to discuss this is to copy and paste the "column" in the original post with no mention of paper or writer. Then we could thrash away without personal pot shots, and stick to ethics, writing style and grammar.
  11. DyePack

    DyePack New Member

    Actually, I'm aware of how Canada feels. I only wish I had saved the unprofessional little booklets I found at a Thomson paper.

    I was actually agreeing with your point and didn't feel I needed to keep your fellatio to one specific paper. We have henri for that.
  12. Double J

    Double J Active Member

    I'm actually lucky in that I never worked for a Thomson paper. Believe me, though, I've heard enough horror stories from people who did.
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