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Evil ... Thy name is Orville Redenbacher!! · May 20, 2008

Lee Jackson Beauregard said:

Birdscribe said:

AlleyAllen said:

Not to nitpick, but there have actually been some pretty notable military leaders who were "goats."

McClelland, Crittenden, Pickett, Heth, to name a few from the Civil War. There are others, to be sure, but I can't seem to find the list.

Honestly, though, ranking near the bottom at one of the academies isn't like finishing last at Dumbarton Mining College.
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AA, if you're referring to George McClellan, he finished second in his class (Class of 1846) at West Point.

That's notable in several ways, most prominently the fact that 10 members of that class -- including Stonewall Jackson, George Pickett (who finished last in the class of 59) and Cadmus Wilcox -- went on to become generals for the Confederacy. A.P. Hill was in that class, but got held back a year for something or other.

Meanwhile, besides McClellan, 12 went on to wear stars for the Union, including Darius Couch, George Stoneman and Jesse Reno.

There's a decent book about this: "The Class of 1846: From West Point to Appomattox: Stonewall Jackson, George McClellan and their Brothers.
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Hill contracted venereal disease from a woman of ill repute while on furlough. His illness along with lousy standing pushed him back.

His urethra was gangrenous when they performed his autopsy. He spent the war in fierce pain.
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Ugh!
Thanks for the image.

budcrew08 · May 20, 2008

Lee Jackson Beauregard said:

Birdscribe said:

AlleyAllen said:

Not to nitpick, but there have actually been some pretty notable military leaders who were "goats."

McClelland, Crittenden, Pickett, Heth, to name a few from the Civil War. There are others, to be sure, but I can't seem to find the list.

Honestly, though, ranking near the bottom at one of the academies isn't like finishing last at Dumbarton Mining College.
Click to expand...

AA, if you're referring to George McClellan, he finished second in his class (Class of 1846) at West Point.

That's notable in several ways, most prominently the fact that 10 members of that class -- including Stonewall Jackson, George Pickett (who finished last in the class of 59) and Cadmus Wilcox -- went on to become generals for the Confederacy. A.P. Hill was in that class, but got held back a year for something or other.

Meanwhile, besides McClellan, 12 went on to wear stars for the Union, including Darius Couch, George Stoneman and Jesse Reno.

There's a decent book about this: "The Class of 1846: From West Point to Appomattox: Stonewall Jackson, George McClellan and their Brothers.
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Hill contracted venereal disease from a woman of ill repute while on furlough. His illness along with lousy standing pushed him back.

His urethra was gangrenous when they performed his autopsy. He spent the war in fierce pain.
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All the men on the message board just cringed and crossed their legs, involuntarily, and really aren't sure why.

Football_Bat · May 20, 2008

Lee Jackson Beauregard said:

Birdscribe said:

AlleyAllen said:

Not to nitpick, but there have actually been some pretty notable military leaders who were "goats."

McClelland, Crittenden, Pickett, Heth, to name a few from the Civil War. There are others, to be sure, but I can't seem to find the list.

Honestly, though, ranking near the bottom at one of the academies isn't like finishing last at Dumbarton Mining College.
Click to expand...

AA, if you're referring to George McClellan, he finished second in his class (Class of 1846) at West Point.

That's notable in several ways, most prominently the fact that 10 members of that class -- including Stonewall Jackson, George Pickett (who finished last in the class of 59) and Cadmus Wilcox -- went on to become generals for the Confederacy. A.P. Hill was in that class, but got held back a year for something or other.

Meanwhile, besides McClellan, 12 went on to wear stars for the Union, including Darius Couch, George Stoneman and Jesse Reno.

There's a decent book about this: "The Class of 1846: From West Point to Appomattox: Stonewall Jackson, George McClellan and their Brothers.
Click to expand...

Hill contracted venereal disease from a woman of ill repute while on furlough. His illness along with lousy standing pushed him back.

His urethra was gangrenous when they performed his autopsy. He spent the war in fierce pain.
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That's what you get for going A.P.

Herbert Anchovy · May 20, 2008

Evil ... Thy name is Orville Redenbacher!! said:

Lee Jackson Beauregard said:

Birdscribe said:

AlleyAllen said:

Not to nitpick, but there have actually been some pretty notable military leaders who were "goats."

McClelland, Crittenden, Pickett, Heth, to name a few from the Civil War. There are others, to be sure, but I can't seem to find the list.

Honestly, though, ranking near the bottom at one of the academies isn't like finishing last at Dumbarton Mining College.
Click to expand...

AA, if you're referring to George McClellan, he finished second in his class (Class of 1846) at West Point.

That's notable in several ways, most prominently the fact that 10 members of that class -- including Stonewall Jackson, George Pickett (who finished last in the class of 59) and Cadmus Wilcox -- went on to become generals for the Confederacy. A.P. Hill was in that class, but got held back a year for something or other.

Meanwhile, besides McClellan, 12 went on to wear stars for the Union, including Darius Couch, George Stoneman and Jesse Reno.

There's a decent book about this: "The Class of 1846: From West Point to Appomattox: Stonewall Jackson, George McClellan and their Brothers.
Click to expand...

Hill contracted venereal disease from a woman of ill repute while on furlough. His illness along with lousy standing pushed him back.

His urethra was gangrenous when they performed his autopsy. He spent the war in fierce pain.
Click to expand...

Ugh!
Thanks for the image.
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I have pictures at home

forever_town · May 20, 2008

AlleyAllen said:

Not to nitpick, but there have actually been some pretty notable military leaders who were "goats."

McClelland, Crittenden, Pickett, Heth, to name a few from the Civil War. There are others, to be sure, but I can't seem to find the list.
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McClelland was pretty widely acknowledged to be an idiot among most Civil War historians. If you were writing about generals who did poorly at the academy and did much better on the battlefield, I'd suggest Grant as a better example.

Birdscribe · May 20, 2008

Lee Jackson Beauregard said:

Birdscribe said:

AlleyAllen said:

Not to nitpick, but there have actually been some pretty notable military leaders who were "goats."

McClelland, Crittenden, Pickett, Heth, to name a few from the Civil War. There are others, to be sure, but I can't seem to find the list.

Honestly, though, ranking near the bottom at one of the academies isn't like finishing last at Dumbarton Mining College.
Click to expand...

AA, if you're referring to George McClellan, he finished second in his class (Class of 1846) at West Point.

That's notable in several ways, most prominently the fact that 10 members of that class -- including Stonewall Jackson, George Pickett (who finished last in the class of 59) and Cadmus Wilcox -- went on to become generals for the Confederacy. A.P. Hill was in that class, but got held back a year for something or other.

Meanwhile, besides McClellan, 12 went on to wear stars for the Union, including Darius Couch, George Stoneman and Jesse Reno.

There's a decent book about this: "The Class of 1846: From West Point to Appomattox: Stonewall Jackson, George McClellan and their Brothers.
Click to expand...

Hill contracted venereal disease from a woman of ill repute while on furlough. His illness along with lousy standing pushed him back.

His urethra was gangrenous when they performed his autopsy. He spent the war in fierce pain.
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That's right. I remember now. I knew it was something of that ilk, especially with Hill.

Captain_Kirk · May 20, 2008

forever_town said:

AlleyAllen said:

Not to nitpick, but there have actually been some pretty notable military leaders who were "goats."

McClelland, Crittenden, Pickett, Heth, to name a few from the Civil War. There are others, to be sure, but I can't seem to find the list.
Click to expand...

McClelland was pretty widely acknowledged to be an idiot among most Civil War historians. If you were writing about generals who did poorly at the academy and did much better on the battlefield, I'd suggest Grant as a better example.
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By his president at the time, too.

forever_town · May 20, 2008

Captain_Kirk said:

forever_town said:

AlleyAllen said:

Not to nitpick, but there have actually been some pretty notable military leaders who were "goats."

McClelland, Crittenden, Pickett, Heth, to name a few from the Civil War. There are others, to be sure, but I can't seem to find the list.
Click to expand...

McClelland was pretty widely acknowledged to be an idiot among most Civil War historians. If you were writing about generals who did poorly at the academy and did much better on the battlefield, I'd suggest Grant as a better example.
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By his president at the time, too.
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IINM, Lincoln even briefly pondered commanding the army himself because McClelland was such an idiot.

The Big Ragu · May 20, 2008

My best friend growing up went to West Point. After his plebe year--when he would occasionally be allowed to leave--he came to visit me where I went to school a bunch of times and he would always bring a long a couple of his friends. They are some of my most memorable college weekends, because it would be two days of guys who had just been released from prison. One of his friends was a huge fuck-up by West Point standards. Actually by most standards. But he was funny as hell and wild to be around when I was 19. From what I saw of West Point as an outsider, I have no idea how he survived the place. I'd try to describe him, but I wouldn't do him justice.

I remember how being the goat was a pretty big deal. If you were near the bottom of the class, you actually tried to finish last--without crossing a line and getting kicked out--because those guys are like minor celebrities; every member of the graduating class gives the goat a silver dollar. What was funny was the guy I am talking about ended up finishing second or third to last in his class and I remember the other guys I knew joking that he even fucked up being last.

I have no idea what he is doing now, but I am kind of curious. I am going to find out.

Jones · May 20, 2008

McCain is quite proud of this. He brings it up all the time.

But like Ragu's saying, I think he would have preferred to finish dead last. McCain can actually remember the name of the guy who did -- I'm drawing a blank on it right now -- and for finishing last, the goat got to meet the President at the time (Ike maybe?), and that kind of made McCain wish he'd tried harder to hit bottom.

McCain also got a huge number of demerits -- like, as many as you can get and not be kicked out, and maybe even more than that, except like Ace mentioned, his father and grandfather has some significant dick to swing around Annapolis.

Mahoney · May 20, 2008

It's McCain's way of showing he's not an elitist. Understanding econcomics and being able to keep Sunni and Shia straight are also elitist things he's avoiding.

Mystery_Meat · May 20, 2008

Lee Jackson Beauregard said:

Birdscribe said:

AlleyAllen said:

Not to nitpick, but there have actually been some pretty notable military leaders who were "goats."

McClelland, Crittenden, Pickett, Heth, to name a few from the Civil War. There are others, to be sure, but I can't seem to find the list.

Honestly, though, ranking near the bottom at one of the academies isn't like finishing last at Dumbarton Mining College.
Click to expand...

AA, if you're referring to George McClellan, he finished second in his class (Class of 1846) at West Point.

That's notable in several ways, most prominently the fact that 10 members of that class -- including Stonewall Jackson, George Pickett (who finished last in the class of 59) and Cadmus Wilcox -- went on to become generals for the Confederacy. A.P. Hill was in that class, but got held back a year for something or other.

Meanwhile, besides McClellan, 12 went on to wear stars for the Union, including Darius Couch, George Stoneman and Jesse Reno.

There's a decent book about this: "The Class of 1846: From West Point to Appomattox: Stonewall Jackson, George McClellan and their Brothers.
Click to expand...

Hill contracted venereal disease from a woman of ill repute while on furlough. His illness along with lousy standing pushed him back.

His urethra was gangrenous when they performed his autopsy. He spent the war in fierce pain.
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I thought he had a narrow urethra

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