8-year-old kills dad and another man

i respect non assault weapon gun rights. but i'd never, ever put my .357 or a shotgun in an 8-year-old's hands. ever.

just sayin'.

 

Yeah, I agree.

When Lil 93 turns eight, we are going to sit down and drink some Jack Daniels, fire up some internet porn and I will teach her how to drive a car.

How many people give children that young access to permenant markers let alone something that can kill someone?

I know the hunting argument, but why the hell does a child need to know how to kill something when they are eight? This is 2008, not 1808.

What is so wrong with waiting until they are 16 until they can hunt? Shit, take them along. Let them gut the fucker in the woods, but do not hand them the gun. Not at eight.

 

Very well argued, 93. I don't completely agree with you but some fine points.

 

sixtoe and tom have it right ... there's a respect there and that respect is taught and learned. I'd argue that most of the kids with guns stories that pop up involve kids who didn't learn that respect and were never taught respect.

 

oh, and I hunted way before I was 16. started going when I was, maybe, 10 or so just to go along ... started shooting when I was 12.

 

Huh?

Not a single syllable isn't the truth.

 

So you are a some lucky jagoff who didn't get Darwin-ed.

Hooray for you.

 

and you're an ass.

hooray for you.

 

Careful Simon, he's packing heat.

 

I grew up in an area where hunting is a very popular pasttime, most of my firends that hunt, started doing so probably around the time they were 10, some were shooting well before then -- mostly gophers at that age mind you. Hell I went bow hunting for gophers when I was 8.
As far as gun-related violence in the area, there is virtually none. The reason is a healthy respect is taught along with the use of a gun.
To sound off like itis a great sin of sins to teach a younger person the proper use and respect of a gun reeks of ignorance. He was being taught with a small calibre rifle, it's not like he was being handed an assault rifle and told to go out in the world and do what you can do.
If you are against guns, that's fine, I'm not going to argue you on that -- that is absolutely your right -- I just hope that there is a conversation with your kids at some point rationally explaining it instead of an angry rant.

I have to believe that something was going on in this case, some sort of abuse where the kid goes from what sounds like absolutely no prior history of behaviouraly problems to killing his dad and his friend. That or something just out right snapped (issues with the divorce and new step mother ???) I don't think this was a gun issue beyond it actually being the instrument he used. It could have been a knife, it could have been anything, if a kid is going to snap and carry out something like that to that extent he'll find a way with or without a gun.

 

All in the last week or so...


http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/story/579209.html

A 10-year-old boy was shot to death in Diomede last week when his teenage cousin attempted to show him how to handle a rifle, Alaska State Troopers said Tuesday.

http://www.semissourian.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081105/NEWS01/711055093

BUTLER COUNTY, Mo. — An 11-year-old boy was taken by helicopter to a St. Louis hospital Sunday morning following a hunting accident.

Hunter Ham and his 18-year-old cousin, Kelci Scott, were hunting at 7:30 a.m. on family property on County Road 569 when the accident occurred.

http://www.canada.com/reginaleaderpost/news/story.html?id=b44e27c4-f3b5-4941-b85e-9aa4c84e707d

THE PAS, Man. - A community in northern Manitoba is mourning the loss of 13-year-old boy who was killed in a hunting incident Friday, just days after two young boys were killed in shed fire.

It's another tragedy for the Opaskwayak Cree Nation, a community neighbouring The Pas, Man. that lost two six-year-old boys in a shed fire Tuesday. The community also lost its former chief, Manitoba northern affairs minister Oscar Lathlin, who died Sunday.

A Chassell Township man underwent surgery for a gunshot wound through his lung while hunting with his 3-year-old son.

http://blog.mlive.com/minorityreport/2008/11/son_trips_dad_shot_in_lung.html

November 3, 2008: Associated Press: Upper Peninsula authorities are investigating the accidental shooting of a man who was in the woods with his 3-year-old son.
A Houghton County sheriff's department news release says 37-year-old Albert Miller of Chassell Township was with his son, Adam, when the boy fell and caused Miller's .22-caliber weapon to fire.

http://www.macon.com/198/story/511063.html

Yellow underwent surgery Tuesday to repair damage allegedly caused by a 13-year-old boy who shot him in the face with birdshot, fired a hunting arrow into his hind leg and tried to drag the injured dog behind a four-wheeler just over two weeks ago.

The boy has been charged with cruelty to animals and is scheduled to appear in court Nov. 11. He has been released into his parents’ custody.

http://www.madison.com/wsj/home/sports/outdoors/312589

In Sioux Falls, S.D., authorities received a report of a hunting death over the weekend in South Dakota.

The incident occurred in Marshall County.

Authorities say a 14-year-old girl died when she was shot in the head.

The girl was said to be hunting ducks with her father and another hunter on Saturday.

Her name has not been released yet.

 

Hey look, I never said hunting accidents don't happen. There's many reasons for this. Often it comes down to a lack of responsible training and not having proper adult supervision.

If you look hard enough you can find media reports on deaths in most past times. Why not look up stories on people who drown while fishing.

I also have problems with some of those stories -- well not the stories but the situations revolving around the stories.

Just the first ones that really pop up first:

For one, a three year old should absolutely not be out hunting, even just to go along for the trip. Just too many issues with that to list.

The 13-year old who shot the guy in the face and then draged the dog behind the quad, has problems beyond the fact he shot someone, namely he is likely a pyschopath in waiting.

The one in The Pas, Man., again a lack of responsible gun use. They were hunting and started fighting over a gun. That's not the gun's fault, that is darwin stepping in. Pure stupidity.