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2020-21 Baseball Offseason Thread

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by 2muchcoffeeman, Oct 28, 2020.

  1. Hermes

    Hermes Well-Known Member

    Zero leverage when your ownership starts splitting the ply of its toilet paper to save money. All but announcing you have to trade a guy before a certain date is about what you can expect from the Dolans.

    A first-rate front office and piddly-ass ownership. Sell the team already.
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  2. 2muchcoffeeman

    2muchcoffeeman Well-Known Member

    Remember the Angels clubhouse guy who was fired for doctoring baseballs? He’s naming names.

    A REVEALING TEXT message from star pitcher Gerrit Cole has been submitted as evidence in Brian Harkins' quest to prove he was unfairly made a scapegoat when the Los Angeles Angels fired him as their clubhouse attendant for supplying ball-doctoring substances to pitchers.

    The message -- dated Jan. 17, 2019 -- was filed in Orange County (California) Superior Court on Thursday as opposition to a request to dismiss the original lawsuit submitted by Harkins' attorneys in August.

    The opposition also includes a declaration from Harkins in which he recalled a March 26 interview with attorneys from MLB and the Angels. During the interview, Harkins claims, he identified Cole, Justin Verlander, Edwin Jackson, Max Scherzer, Felix Hernandez, Corey Kluber, Joba Chamberlain, Adam Wainwright and Tyler Chatwood among the pitchers who previously asked for his specific blend of pine tar and rosin, which became popular throughout the league after he made it for former closer Troy Percival more than 20 years ago.

    Harkins also named several current and former Angels -- Percival, Brendan Donnelly, Kevin Jepsen, Cam Bedrosian, Keynan Middleton, Yusmeiro Petit, Luke Bard, Matt Andriese, Dylan Peters, Jose Suarez, Kaleb Cowart and Dylan Bundy -- who used the blend.

    Spokespeople for MLB and the Angels declined comment, citing pending litigation.​

    Fired Los Angeles Angels clubhouse attendant names pitchers in ball-doctoring case — ESPN
  3. qtlaw

    qtlaw Well-Known Member

    Lifetime baseball fan (as you can see); doctoring baseballs is against the rules, yes, but its jaywalking IMHO compared to electronic/video sign stealing (murder). Getting a slight edge with the baseball, its only good until the next ball comes into play. Its not like the baseball becomes a wiffle ball (I don't think so but maybe wrong).
  4. Michael_ Gee

    Michael_ Gee Well-Known Member

    Baseball cherishes tradition. A ball was probably first doctored in the third game of the sport ever played, so that trick is full of lore. It's seen as genial rascality. Using video and electronics to steal pitching signs is newfangled and hence threatening. Note that sign stealing itself by non-electronic means is about as old a practice as doctoring the ball.
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  5. TheSportsPredictor

    TheSportsPredictor Well-Known Member

    Hitters aren’t so against this type of ball doctoring. It allows the pitchers more control over their pitches. Which means fewer balls coming at the hitters.
  6. outofplace

    outofplace Well-Known Member

    This is all why I thought the gnashing of teeth over the Astros was a bit much.
  7. Regan MacNeil

    Regan MacNeil Well-Known Member

    Schwarber to the Nats.
  8. JC

    JC Well-Known Member

    Very few balls come at hitters.
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  9. bigpern23

    bigpern23 Well-Known Member

  10. outofplace

    outofplace Well-Known Member

    That does seem a bit low given his last two seasons.
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  11. bigpern23

    bigpern23 Well-Known Member

    Kluber deal is 1-year, $11M. Cashman had a good day.
  12. Michael_ Gee

    Michael_ Gee Well-Known Member

    Cashman is real good at his job.
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