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2019 MLB Regular Season running thread

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by John B. Foster, Feb 17, 2019.

  1. maumann

    maumann Well-Known Member

    I know until Trammell and Morris were added, the 1984 Tigers were one of two pre-Wild Card World Series winners without a Hall of Famer. The other? The '81 Dodgers. Here's a piece that details the chances of other champions and possible HOF nominees.

    These World Series champions may never have a Hall of Fame player – Baseball Egg
  2. maumann

    maumann Well-Known Member

    The real players may not be there until 2202.
  3. maumann

    maumann Well-Known Member

    Simmons is a huge oversight. But even Mauer, Munson, Tenace, Freehan and Posada all have career OPS+ over 110 and more WAR than Campanella, Ferrell and Schalk at a position that's woefully under-represented at Cooperstown. Posey should be included in that group as well.
  4. DanOregon

    DanOregon Well-Known Member

    It's weird - you would think championships would give players more of a boost than they apparently do with the baseball writers. In Canton there are plenty of players who made it in by being the third, fourth or fifth best player on a dynasty - more than their numbers.
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  5. bigpern23

    bigpern23 Well-Known Member

    It probably speaks to the one-on-one nature of baseball. Your stats are your stats. They can be moderately affected by other guys on the roster, but for the most part, you're responsible for your success or failure. Football players rely so much more on each other that team success is going to boost the individual reputations.
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  6. Della9250

    Della9250 Well-Known Member

    If you go by WAR, these are the top 25 catchers of all time, in order:

    Bench 75.2
    Mauer (55) Not in
    Simmons (50.3) Not in
    Schang (48) Not in
    Tenace (46.8) Not in
    Munson (46.1) Not in
    Freehan (44.8) Not in
    Posada (42.8) Not in
    Posey (42.1 and counting) Not in
    Kendall (41.7) Not in
    Porter (40.9) Not in
    Sundberg (40.5) Not in
    Molina (40.2 and counting), Not in.

    The three catchers below 40 WAR who are in are Campanella, Ferrell and Schalk.
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  7. Starman

    Starman Well-Known Member

    Campanella lost the first one-third to one-half of his career to segregation and possibly a year or two at the end to the accident, so nobody really worries about his career totals.
  8. Della9250

    Della9250 Well-Known Member


    Just pointing out the fact of which ones were below the current top 25 WAR are in
  9. Spartan Squad

    Spartan Squad Well-Known Member

    This assumes Peavy or Bumgarner don't get in. I think at least one will (probably Bum). But damn if I can't think of anyone who doesn't have a strong case other than Posey. You look at the players who were on those teams and man they were good for that time but how few of them hold up is staggering.
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  10. heyabbott

    heyabbott Well-Known Member

    If you just look at WAR for 3B,
    Beltre is a lock, his WAR is 95.6. Third best in history ahead of Boggs, Brett, Chpr Jones and FRobby. Scott Rolen is 10th and and Nettles is 11th.
  11. maumann

    maumann Well-Known Member

    Every regular position player on the 2014 team had an above league average OPS+. Cabrera and Pagan played out of their minds in 2012, plus the starting five combined for 160 of 162 starts. And their top six starters made 161 of 162 starts in 2010. Pat Burrell? Aubrey Huff? Andres Torrez? Now that's guys having career seasons at the perfect time.

    Posey is sort of the key piece every one of those teams was built around.
  12. Della9250

    Della9250 Well-Known Member

    Of course outside of catcher, third is the next most under represented position in the Hall
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