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2019 Baseball Hall of Fame Ballot

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Della9250, Jul 17, 2018.

  1. Della9250

    Della9250 Well-Known Member

    This was the ballot two years ago: Harold Baines, Albert Belle, Will Clark, Orel Hershiser, Davey Johnson, Mark McGwire, Lou Piniella, John Schuerholz, Bud Selig and George Steinbrenner.

    They dropped McGwire, Schuerholz and Selig got in and they added Smith, who became eligible since that last ballot, Carter and Manuel.

    They should have kept McGwire and added Smith and Leyland
  2. cyclingwriter2

    cyclingwriter2 Well-Known Member

    And therein lies the problem that the hall had been back in the 1940s. The writers were not putting in highly qualified players while the vets were putting in everyone.
  3. Guy_Incognito

    Guy_Incognito Well-Known Member

    It lowers the bar for SPs. The best case to make for hershiser is to compare him to Morris.
  4. tapintoamerica

    tapintoamerica Well-Known Member

    The best thing Steinbrenner did as owner was to get banned and to be forced to stay away. In his absence, management drafted and developed the core of a dynasty. Not sure how that benefits Steinbrenner's case.
    Walter O'Malley is in because he brought baseball west of the Mississippi. That's an achievement. Branch Rickey integrated the game and helped integrate society as a whole in the process.
    George fired a lot of managers. His team won because it's an iconic franchise in a massive media market with massive revenue. Only when he was banished did the team begin to use that revenue to develop a farm system.
    Was his a voice that fostered long-term labor peace? I'm not aware of that, but if that's true, then you can put him in.
    Without compelling evidence such as that, it's fair to consider character. He's a convicted felon. Again, his conduct was so wretched that he was banished from the game for a year.
  5. tapintoamerica

    tapintoamerica Well-Known Member

    It looks to me that the most recent induction of an owner was 1991 (Bill Veeck.) Now that guy was an innovator. Crazy, perhaps, but his promotional acumen made a mark.
    Again, something distinctive for the betterment of the game at large is required in my book for an owner to get in.
  6. Della9250

    Della9250 Well-Known Member

    Explain Tom Yawkey then
  7. Della9250

    Della9250 Well-Known Member

    It may lower the bar but there's almost no spots Hershiser clears, even against Morris. Morris' induction makes it look bad that guys like Mussina and Schilling are still waiting.
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  8. tapintoamerica

    tapintoamerica Well-Known Member

    Love Harold Baines, but only two Top-10 MVP finishes (one 10th, one ninth.) No on him.
    Albert Belle is despised, but the run he had was one of the best in history. He drove in ≥ 100 runs in nine straight seasons. I'm guessing the toxic personality is the chief reason for his exclusion. Although suspended once for seven games for using a corked bat, he wasn't widely suspected of steroids, I don't think. Curiously, he did retire before the advent of steroid testing, but that may have just been weird Albert. And weird he was. At the age of 33, he drove in 100 or more runs for the ninth straight season. And then he abruptly retired, never to be heard from again.

    The list of those with ≥ RBI in nine seasons has 29 people on it. Of them:
    * 18 are already in.
    * 5 are widely acknowledged steroid cheats (Bonds, Palmeiro, Sosa, A-Fraud and Manny Ramirez).
    * 2 (Miguel Cabrera, David Ortiz) are not yet eligible because they're relatively recent retirees, but I presume both will be in.
    * 1 (Albert Pujols) is still playing but will be in ASAP.

    This leaves us with three: Carlos Delgado, Albert Belle and another member of the veterans committee nominee list, Joe Carter.
  9. tapintoamerica

    tapintoamerica Well-Known Member

    There's no good reason for Yawkey. Racist bastard. Ironic, don't you think, that the Red Sox owner could provide cover for the Yankees' guy?
    Yawkey is credited with investing in the Red Sox and making them winners. He received an absurd inheritance at age 30 and had the opportunity to do that.
  10. Della9250

    Della9250 Well-Known Member

    2019 Ballot officially released today. 35 names on it.

    Rick Ankiel (first year)
    Jason Bay (first year)
    Lance Berkman (first year)
    Barry Bonds (7th year, 56.4% in 2018)
    Roger Clemens (7th year, 57.3%)
    Freddy Garcia (first year)
    Jon Garland (first year)
    Travis Hafner (first year)
    Roy Halladay (first year)
    Todd Helton (first year)
    Andruw Jones (2nd year, 7.3%)
    Jeff Kent (6th year, 14.5%)
    Ted Lilly (first year)
    Derek Lowe (first year)
    Edgar Martinez (10th year, 70.4%)
    Fred McGriff (10th year, 23.2%)
    Mike Mussina (6th year, 63.5%)
    Darren Oliver (first year)
    Roy Oswalt (first year)
    Andy Pettitte (first year)
    Juan Pierre (first year)
    Placido Polanco (first year)
    Manny Ramirez (3rd year, 22%)
    Mariano Rivera (first year)
    Scott Rolen (2nd year, 10.2%)
    Curt Schilling (6th year, 51.2%)
    Gary Sheffield (5th year, 11.1%)
    Sammy Sosa (7th year, 7.8%)
    Miguel Tejada (first year)
    Omar Vizquel (2nd year, 37.1%)
    Billy Wagner (4th year, 11.1%)
    Larry Walker (9th year, 34.1%)
    Vernon Wells (first year)
    Kevin Youkilis (first year)
    Michael Young (first year)
  11. Guy_Incognito

    Guy_Incognito Well-Known Member

    I just listened to the 30 for 30 podcast on Canseco and was reminded that the panel before congress was him, McGwire, Sosa, Palmeiro and Schilling. These Red sox. Schilling and Ortiz somehow manage to escape every steroid conversation, while people against whom there is no evidence at all - even circumstantial - are tainted. But for Larry andersen...
  12. Cosmo

    Cosmo Well-Known Member

    Rick Ankiel and Ted Lilly. LOL.
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