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2019-20 MLB Running Hot Stove Thread

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by bigpern23, Oct 24, 2019.

  1. Regan MacNeil

    Regan MacNeil Well-Known Member

    Kris Bryant has been the better player over the past five years. And Arenado comes with the same amount of control.
  2. qtlaw

    qtlaw Well-Known Member

    Damn Donaldson gets more than Bumgarner. Got to hand it to Donaldson, he bet on himself last year (1 yr deal) and has essentially gotten about $130M for 5 yrs.
  3. outofplace

    outofplace Well-Known Member

    When judging those two, it depends on criteria. Bryant has been slowed by injuries, especially in 2018. Arenado hasn't played less than 155 games since 2014. He is also a better defender a third base. I'm not sure Bryant has that much more value in terms of a trade.
  4. heyabbott

    heyabbott Well-Known Member

    Take him out of colorado where his home/away OPS split is .995/.799 compared to Bryant's split of .921/.881 and you might have a relatively even offensive comparison.
  5. outofplace

    outofplace Well-Known Member

    The problem with that is the splits aren't always a fair measure. Rockies hitters have to constantly adjust from home to away games. Breaking balls move differently. The ball certainly carries differently. I'm not saying that Coors Field isn't an advantage, but playing home games there actually hurts many of those hitters when they are on the road. That is why you don't always see a massive drop-off when a player leaves Colorado. Take D.J. LeMahieu as an example. He had arguably the best season of his career last year with the Yankees at age 30. It was also the first season he played for a team other than the Rockies.

    Matt Holliday's production dropped when he left the Rockies, but it certainly didn't crater. Andres Galarraga put together a 1999 season with the Braves that looked very much like what he had done the previous two seasons with the Rockies and that was at age 37.

    I'm not saying you don't adjust for playing for the Rockies with a guy like Arenado. I am saying that the splits are a little misleading and often people overdo the adjusting.
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  6. Regan MacNeil

    Regan MacNeil Well-Known Member

    Well, he certainly has more value than Ross and Kieboom. Especially since the Braves are likely to get involved after missing out on Donaldson. And Rosenthal has the Dodgers in too. I love the smell of a bidding war.

    Of course, all of this is null and void if the arbitrator rules for Bryant.
  7. outofplace

    outofplace Well-Known Member

    I like Kieboom, but yeah, that doesn't seem like enough for Bryant.
  8. HanSenSE

    HanSenSE Well-Known Member

  9. Starman

    Starman Well-Known Member

  10. heyabbott

    heyabbott Well-Known Member

  11. DanOregon

    DanOregon Well-Known Member

    Lets be honest though - the positions people are referring to as "coach" these days, used to just be considered support staff, whether dealing with data or whatnot.
  12. HanSenSE

    HanSenSE Well-Known Member

    Then doubled down last night by trying to get into a Twitter war with veteran Giants scribe Andrew Baggarly of The Athletic, who suggessted he'd be personna non grata at any public reunions of the 2010 World Series champs. Do not mess with one of Trebek's faves!

    The Giants will have 13 "coaches" on the roster. I think that includes one in charge of 6-4-3 double plays and one in charge of 4-6-3 double plays. One is a "quality assurance" coach, basically a title for an eye in the sky. MLB limits the number of coaches allowed on the bench during games.
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