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President Trump: The NEW one and only politics thread

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Moderator1, Nov 12, 2016.

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  1. Songbird

    Songbird Well-Known Member

    Has she said she doesn't?
     
  2. Slacker

    Slacker Well-Known Member

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  3. Webster

    Webster Well-Known Member

    Still kind of crazy that the GOP walked away from the expanded UI and there was zero leadership from the WH. It’s not like the crisis is even close to over.

    I guess making sure that Trump gets $$ from twice playing golf at his club was more important.
     
  4. heyabbott

    heyabbott Well-Known Member

    9A871095-49E9-4528-951F-77CFE845B862.jpeg 50% of the country lives in the blue
     
  5. DanOregon

    DanOregon Well-Known Member

    I think Biden staying on script will be easier without crowds, fewer "Look folks....," digressions. He has to do Chris Wallace and sit downs with Stephanopoulous, Dickerson etc. And I think if you go back to that last debate he did with Bernie you'll see he did okay. He doesn't need to win over any voters, just needs to not lose any. though I'm surprised Jose Mesa or Fernando Rodney haven't been mentioned.
     
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  6. maumann

    maumann Well-Known Member

    Has there really ever been a Presidential election where the vice president has swayed a significant portion of the electorate? It seems a lot like the buildup to creating your March Madness bracket to me. A whole lot of worrying about something that has little bearing on the overall winner.

    Maybe it's just me, but I don't remember ever sitting there with the ballot and thinking to myself, "Boy, I could vote for that guy because of his vice-president!"

    Ferraro in 1984 might be the lone exception but she and Mondale carried ... Minnesota and DC. Does anyone actually look at the second name? I can't even list the losing VP candidates in many cases.

    What bothers me more is a trend that Democrats are ignoring yet again. If you think about Democrats since 1960 who have gone on to win the Presidency: They've all been younger and charismatic. Kennedy, Carter, Clinton, Obama. The lone exception was Johnson, who not only had the sympathy vote but an unelectable opponent in Goldwater in 1964.

    Democrats can't agree on anything, but a candidate who energizes both left and center, particularly Obama, has been a winning formula.

    The one younger, charismatic candidate who lost? Gore in 2000, who should never have been in the position to need Florida in the first place. That's a political science 101 course on how not to run a campaign.

    It seems every time the Democrats run a boring vanilla party-friendly candidate -- Humphrey, McGovern, Mondale, Dukakis, Kerry, Clinton -- they can't sway enough flyover state votes (yet alone energize their fractured base) to outnumber the Yellow Dog Dixiecrats who now bleed red. And here we are again.

    However, the reason I feel Biden will win is similar to Johnson's win in 1964. He's facing Goldwater 2.0, except in this case, Goldwater won. Four more years of Trumpism will scare enough disenfranchised, unemployed and COVID-fearing voters to the polls in states he carried in 2016, particularly Florida. If Trump loses Florida, the Republicans can kiss things goodbye. And DeSantis has made such a mess of things, it may not even come down to a hanging chad.
     
  7. Scout

    Scout Well-Known Member

    If white supremacists are better than everybody, why do they all have shitty tats, drive shitty cars and live in shitty homes?
     
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  8. Baron Scicluna

    Baron Scicluna Well-Known Member

    As much as Franco was a leader for them, I’m still annoyed they traded Randy Myers for him.
     
  9. Jake from State Farm

    Jake from State Farm Well-Known Member

    Jose Valverde
     
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  10. Michael_ Gee

    Michael_ Gee Well-Known Member

    Mitch Williams.
     
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  11. MileHigh

    MileHigh Moderator Staff Member

    I think why this pick matters so much -- and maybe it doesn't -- is because there is near-consensus that Biden won't be running in four years and whoever his pick is will be the standard bearer. That wasn't the case in 2016, 2008, 2004, 2000, 1992, etc.
     
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  12. Della9250

    Della9250 Well-Known Member

    I know, I know POLLS! and all but Biden doesn't even need Florida. The current polling has Biden with enough electoral votes (278) without Florida and Ohio and Arizona and North Carolina and Georgia. And he leads in all of those except for Georgia, where he is essentially tied.

    Trump has to win all all five of those states AND then has to win any of those three crucial from last time -- Penn., Mich or Wisc. -- to win. At this point, it's his only path to re-election
     
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