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2020 Baseball Hall of Fame Class

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Della9250, Jul 9, 2019.

  1. Michael_ Gee

    Michael_ Gee Well-Known Member

    It has been beyond obvious for many years that opinions on Derek Jeter as a ballplayer are merely a surrogate for how people feel about the Yankees as a franchise. I must say I hope Larry Walker is a dynamic public speaker, because Jeter's acceptance speech is gonna be the dullest ever. Definitely the most boring great athlete I ever covered.
     
  2. CD Boogie

    CD Boogie Well-Known Member

    With the best stable of conquests this side of maybe Leonardo DiCaprio.
     
  3. Michael_ Gee

    Michael_ Gee Well-Known Member

    True enough. Rich, handsome and famous helps a lot there. He wasn't in New York to set up a new Algonquin Round Table. And maybe in private Jeter is a fascinating guy. But he learned quite early in his career that the best way to limit one's interactions with the media was to cliche them into a coma.
     
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  4. DanielSimpsonDay

    DanielSimpsonDay Well-Known Member

    He'll link to it on The Player's Tribune
     
  5. CD Boogie

    CD Boogie Well-Known Member

    I'd rather deal with him than a 24-7 phony like A-Rod.
     
  6. Michael_ Gee

    Michael_ Gee Well-Known Member

    In 1994 I did an interview with A-Rod in his first week in the majors. It was mostly about the upcoming strike, and he was straightforward if hardly scintillating. But by the time he came to the Yankees, he was firmly set in his poor little rich kid routine. Too bad such a great player was also so insecure.
     
  7. HanSenSE

    HanSenSE Well-Known Member

    All pale in comparison to Wilt Chamberlian.
     
  8. CD Boogie

    CD Boogie Well-Known Member

    Maybe in terms of numbers, but what top grade talent was associated with the Stilt? Rachel Welch? If so, he wins.
     
  9. Starman

    Starman Well-Known Member

    He claimed Kim Novak, but I don't think that was ever acknowledged.
     
  10. CD Boogie

    CD Boogie Well-Known Member

    I know you didn't ask, but I love combing Baseball-Reference.com anyway -- and Walker's road OPS of .865 was better than many Hall of Famers total OPS -- including some no-doubters like Honus Wagner, Boggs, Joe Morgan, Rod Carew, Kaline, Eddie Collins, Tony Gwynn, Eddie Murray, Ernie Banks, Yaz and...Derek Jeter (.817).

    His road OBP (.370) was better than many Hall of Famers overall OBP -- including Griffey, Molitor, Biggio, Puckett, Stargell, Eddie Murray, Ted Simmons and...Andre Dawson (.323; blech).

    I don't understand how Dawson is in but Dave Parker isn't. Their counting stats and slash line are very similar, but Parker's peak was superior, IMHO.
     
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  11. ChrisLong

    ChrisLong Well-Known Member

    One of the great tragedies of our time -- Kim and botox.

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  12. heyabbott

    heyabbott Well-Known Member

    The problem with using OBP as a comparison over generations is that the game was played differently. A walk with no one on base is as good as a hit. A walk for the sake of a taking a base with a runners on base is often an abdication of the batter's responsibility, especially when you are talking about HOF caliber players like Murray and Carew and Griffey ... Just because a pitch is out of the strike zone doesn't make it unhittable. Gwynn and Carew could go inside out on a tight pitch or the other way with an outside pitch. You wanted Willie Wilson to get on base to get to Brett. Brett wasn't there to pad his OBP, he was there to advance wilson 2 bases or score him. Rather than take the walk they could put the ball in play and make the defense react and he even get a hit. For those guys, in the days when OBP wasn't preferable to BA, taking the bat out of their hands just so they 'line can keep moving' was an anathema to their character as hitters. While they might have given too much emphasis on batting average and RBI a generation ago, too much emphasis is placed on OBP today. Situational hitting is the best measure.
     
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