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President Trump: The NEW one and only politics thread

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Moderator1, Nov 12, 2016.

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  1. Michael_ Gee

    Michael_ Gee Well-Known Member

    Since several of the other candidates, notably Gillibrand and Warren, have voting records and policy proposals more to the "left" of Sanders, that's gonna be hard for him to do.
     
  2. Baron Scicluna

    Baron Scicluna Well-Known Member

    All the Dems should say is 1955 called and wants its cheap slogan back.
     
  3. Michael_ Gee

    Michael_ Gee Well-Known Member

    In Republican politics "socialism" means "your taxes will go up to give money to people you don't like." That's all. It has nothing to do with economics. It's just the usual "The world is completely full of scary stuff coming to rob and kill you. Only we can keep you safe from the dire threat of the Pakistani woman you saw working the 12 items or less line at the supermarket."
     
  4. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    If people weren't attracted to the populist crap, nobody would feel "forced" to match Bernie Sanders' scapegoating and free-everything promises.

    America is getting what it deserves right now. Whatever populist rhetoric gets an "anti-Trump" elected, it will be a continuation of the stupidity of the populace ushering in our own slow-drip destruction. We are a declining empire because America long ago lost the sense of individualism that once served the country really well.

    The anti-Trump who best sells the next election-winning bullshit will bring more decorum and dignity to the office. And I am not understating that. But the mere fact that that is so important now demonstrates the damage we have done to our country.

    Of more consequence, though, is the economic damage we have done, and will continue to do to ourselves. Someone will get elected and do more of the same kinds of dumb things that saddle us with more debt and runaway government messes that act as an economic anchor. The hyenas in Congress and the Senate will hand out more stuff to whatever constituents they feel they need to buy off to stay in power. That corruption has wide-ranging economic consequences, by funneling capital from potentially innovative areas that give people things that raise their standards of living. ... to dead, corrupt places. And because it is all debt-fueled because we allow our government to sell out our future, it is the lump of coal that will keep on giving for a long time. With each bit of it, we are that much closer to drowning in entitlement spending and our own debt.

    With each day, month, year, the nonsensical fantasies both parties are selling goes on, we will sell out that much more of the future, and make the coming clean up that much more difficult.

    Bernie Sanders isn't the cause of that. He's the extension of it. He's not forcing anyone anywhere. In a sane world, people would be smart enough to tell him to get lost. But in an unthinking, immediate-gratification world populated by a lot of dumb people (and it's the same stupidity that gave us Donald Trump), there are those who refuse to critically understand how destructive people like him are. So America will continue to get what it deserves, whether it is him or some scaled back version of him. At least the person destroying the country likely won't outwardly be as much of an asshole and BS artist and con man as what we did last time around. Who would have thought that would be only kind of victory we are capable of anymore?

    America is getting what it deserves.
     
  5. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    True.

    But that's part of what a stalking horse does. Take the heat off the others.

    Who is the one "Socialist" in the race? Who is the press gonna talk about? Bernie's influence on the national debate and on the Democratic party is largely symbolic.

    How many of the positions endorsed by the DSA does Bernie adhere to? Does it matter? Months from now, as some of those younger, more more electable Democrats begin to move back toward the center as a matter of pragmatism, a candidate like Bernie can act as a goad and a scold.

    Add:

    as of this morning, you've already got Ms. Harris centering herself.

    “The people of New Hampshire will tell me what’s required to compete in New Hampshire, but I will tell you I am not a democratic socialist,”


    Kamala Harris Faces Questions About ‘Democratic Socialist’ Label and Jussie Smollett in N.H. Debut
     
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  6. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    Having said that, if he's really running, it would be disastrous for the Democrats.
     
  7. Justin_Rice

    Justin_Rice Well-Known Member


    Whoever the Democrats nominate, Republicans will paint him/her as the socialist boogeyman.
     
  8. LanceyHoward

    LanceyHoward Well-Known Member

    So if it is Sanders-Trump who should I vote for?
     
  9. Michael_ Gee

    Michael_ Gee Well-Known Member

    Sanders is really running, but I'd bet serious money he isn't even in the final group of two or three contenders going for the nomination down the stretch. Too much baggage. And if he loses New Hampshire to Warren (or anybody else), he's done early.
     
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  10. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    I believe that is called a Morton's Fork.
     
  11. BTExpress

    BTExpress Well-Known Member

    And the GOPers can say the same thing about the Dems' revived Russia-is-to-blame-for-everything McCarthyism.

    Too bad there aren't any Eisenhower descendants in the running.
     
  12. DanielSimpsonDay

    DanielSimpsonDay Well-Known Member

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