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WSJ: 'iPhones v. Parents: The Tug of War Over America's Children'

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Dick Whitman, Jan 15, 2018.

  1. Buck

    Buck Well-Known Member

    It can be harder for a school to ban or restrict something that the parents are allowing.
    Before a kid can take a cellphone to school, he/she must have a parent willing to buy the cellphone and get a service plan.

    I also don't understand the issue that preventing children from doing something requires parents to change their own behaviors.
    When was that a thing?
    Adults do things that children cannot do. We drive. We vote. We can drink alcohol.
    We can use a cell phone how and when we please.
    That does not make it true for children.
     
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  2. qtlaw

    qtlaw Well-Known Member

    You're forgetting peer pressure and societal pressure.
     
  3. Machine Head

    Machine Head Well-Known Member

    My brother, I’m always in your corner and will root for you.

    #BuckIsDoomed
     
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  4. outofplace

    outofplace Well-Known Member

    Part of modifying behavior is modeling it for the young person. I know many teachers will stay off their phones to make it easier to get students to put theirs away.

    To more directly answer your question, I'm not sure exactly when it became a thing, but it is a thing now.

    As a parent, I try to model behavior for my child, but I also expect her to remember that I get to do things she can't. Some parents seem to have trouble with that last bit.

    The best school policies I've heard of are zero tolerance. The phone stays out of sight during the day. They can take it out before their first class, at lunch and when their last class ends. That's it. And if they don't comply, the teacher takes it for the period. If it happens again, the phone gets turned over to the main office until a parent comes to pick it up. That's what my daughter's middle school did. Her high school is more permissive.
     
  5. lakefront

    lakefront Well-Known Member

    There are adult things that kids can not do and should not do, but that is not a cell phone. I would compare it more to video games, you wouldn't play video games and tell your kids they couldn't. I am not talking about checking the phone if you are waiting for a call, things like that you --i guess-- have to do. My issue is with steady phone use. My God, people never even take them out of their hands. I would love to see a survey done asking people "at this moment, what are you looking at?" I am very curious about what is so important. Maybe some of you are so into it that you forget what it's like to not have it. Look around, as humans we are looking pretty --don't even know the word. maybe distracted? unaware of our surroundings?
    The idea that schools have problems with kids and phones during class is just mind boggling to me.
     
  6. playthrough

    playthrough Moderator Staff Member

    So tonight at my kid's school, a detective from the state police who specializes in social media/kids cyber crimes spoke to parents about what to look for, how to talk to your kids, etc. I thought I knew all the horror stories and stuff like Snapchat but there were social apps I'd never heard of and stuff in plain sight that I'd never know was fishy.

    Example: the detective puts up a screengrab of her phone's home screen and asks us to find the dangerous app. There was email, Safari, Waze, a word game, Parkmobile ... nothing we thought was bad. But there was a calculator app that looked like the iPhone calculator -- once you type in a four-digit code, it's actually a place to store media. That stumped all of us. Of course, I told my 12-year-old and she said "yeah, I've heard of that."

    She pointed out how in the big county next door, the detectives don't have time to process all the sexting reports. But in another county out in the sticks, some police have charged kids with felony distribution of child pornography just because he/she forwarded a sexting photo that someone else first sent them. (Often they'll drop the charges if the kid behaves for a year, but you get the point.)

    Helluva presentation. I was also struck by the fact that there were only 30-35 parents in attendance, from a good-sized middle school -- and the detective said this was a very good turnout. Hopefully these messages are getting through to all the adults.
     
  7. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    Yeah, I’ve heard of that. :)
     
  8. playthrough

    playthrough Moderator Staff Member

    As I told my kid, if I had something like that I'd just use it for hiding golf photos.
     
  9. Big Circus

    Big Circus Well-Known Member

    Moddy, we see through the humblebrag. We get it. You’ve had sex. Women like you. MOVE ON.
     
  10. poindexter

    poindexter Well-Known Member

    yeah, jeez, now we got two of them here on this board, bragging about getting laid.
     
  11. typefitter

    typefitter Well-Known Member

    Okay, this is fucking hilarious.
     
  12. Jake_Taylor

    Jake_Taylor Well-Known Member

    This board is not like that episode of Curb when Funkhouser is getting jealous of all the fun his divorced friends have. I don't think about that at all. Ever.
     
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