'The Death Penalty, Nearing Its End'

Something I never thought I'd say:

Ragu and I are in lockstep agreement here.

His words might as well be my words.

 

I really wouldn't have a problem if the DP was ended as a punishment in the US.

 

What I hear you saying is that we can't have that level of certainty about any conviction, and that's not true. We don't live in a world in which everyone who's convicted is guilty. On the other hand, for at least some of those convicted, there is absolutely no doubt of their guilt.

 

I don't think that's what he's saying at all there. He's saying that there's no way to set up a system of criminal justice wherein only people who are "obviously" guilty get the death penalty.

 

I would also be ok with building more SuperMax prisons for those who commit the most heinous crimes. Isolate them, and make them watch Starman videos and listen to Nickelback 24/7.

ADD: Or have Mel Tillis read War and Peace to them.

 

I'm not at all sure what you're getting at here. I'm certainly not arguing for twin tracks ... one that ends in life-without-parole for those who aren't "obviously" guilty and another that ends up on the lethal injection gurney for those who are. Nor am I in any way raising the specter of diminished due process for ... anyone. Nevertheless, the argument that there's always a particle of doubt ... sorry, I ain't buying.

Agree.

BTW ... when did this "obviously" pop up? Did I use it? I thought I was using "incontrovertibly" (as in my example of the convicted killer who murdered another inmate while his sentencing trial was ongoing).

 

Check out my example earlier (maybe you have) ... I was murky on the details, but here's a link:

http://www.cncpunishment.com/forums...Freddie-Eugene-Owens-South-Carolina-Death-Row

I am absolutely fine with his being given multiple stays, opportunities for new sentencing trials, etc. If it's ultimately decided that he shouldn't die for his crime, I'm fine with that, too. He gets his due process just like everyone else.

But let's not pretend there's any doubt as to his guilt.

 

There are people on this earth who forfeit their right to life because of the crimes they commit.
It's not vengeance. Not revenge. It's exterminating someone who can not be rehAbilitated and can not walk among his fellow man.
Prison in addition to punishment is also for rehabilitation. What's the point of incarcerating someone for the whole of their life if they are incorrigible? It's assinine to allow heinous criminals to be clothed, housed, fed and medicated on the taxpapyer dole for the rest of their lives.

That said I don't think anyone ever envisioned a death sentence that last 20 years.
Are there flaws? Yes.
Can the system be improved? Yes.
In cases where there is no doubt of guilt: DNA evidence, video evidence... They should install a fucking expresss lane.


And the idea that you can't be a Christian and support the death penalty? Seriously?

Love the bleeding hearts here... Spend sometime with cops, criminals, courts and prisons and prosecutors you might change your mind.
I've seen all sorts of evil, vile mother fuckers who have certainly forfeited their right to earthly redemption. Let 'em plead to God.


And the argument the DP is disproportionality applied to minoriteis is fucking ridiculous.
You want to argue it's disproportionality applied to innocent folks, ok.
That argument its biased on minorities is failing to see the trees because of the forests. Was the person who was given the DP guilty? Period.
That's all that matters. Not race. Not IQ. Not insanity. Did they do it?

Is it perfect? Probably not. But you'll never convince me to do away with it. Never.
They same as me trying to convince you all to favor it.
We're on opposite sides of the fence. I'm ok with that.
but the righteousness of this thread could use a reality check.

 

You're acting 100 times more righteous than anyone else who has contributed to this thread.

 

You must be a bloodthirsty ghoul.