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Kaepernick sits out the anthem

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by HanSenSE, Aug 27, 2016.

  1. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    We should take guns away from the vast majority our soldiers in the field.
     
  2. doctorquant

    doctorquant Well-Known Member

    That's because, as usual, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
     
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  3. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    Oh, sure, but he always says it with such conviction.
     
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  4. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    It must be exhausting to be as smart as Alma.
     
  5. Alma

    Alma Well-Known Member

    At this point in American history, it is nuclear weapons that give us these things. It is a blunt unpleasant truth but those warheads are a modernist miracle.

    TBH, I'm not sure a soldier or "the soldiers" were ever directly responsible for any of it - and I'm damn sure that our last decade over the Middle East has nothing to do with it - but at some point I just come across like a pissant.
     
  6. BTExpress

    BTExpress Well-Known Member

    Argument can be made that, since our knuckleheaded support of the mujahideen in the 1980s, it has made things WORSE. Not the military's fault, per se, but Washington's. But still . . .

    We remain the world's only nation where "defense" means building as many military bases around the globe as possible.

    Sure seems like "offense" to me (and others).
     
  7. Alma

    Alma Well-Known Member

    No, we shouldn't. People are trying to kill them every day.

    We should take the vast majority of our soldiers out of wherever they are, though. For, as we can see, all those efforts over a decade of time in the Middle East more or less created a power vacuum that stirred up regional angst and partially begat ISIS.
     
  8. LongTimeListener

    LongTimeListener Well-Known Member

    It's all a ruse to get our soccer players raised and trained in Germany.
     
  9. justgladtobehere

    justgladtobehere Well-Known Member

    I've never understood this argument that the support of the mujahideen was a direct cause of the rise of the Taliban and Al-Qaeda. The Soviets left in 1989, the government fell in 1992 and it wasn't until 1996 that the Taliban took power. There were a lot of groups fighting for control. What about the American involvement put the Taliban ahead of the others? There are so many other actors like Pakistan and Saudi Arabia and other events like Bosnia and the Chechen wars that helped create and bring to power the Taliban and Al-Qaeda.
     
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  10. Small Town Guy

    Small Town Guy Well-Known Member

    Been meaning to read the book because the Vanity Fair excerpt was incredible and some of the stats were amazing, about, say, Israeli soldiers' PTSD rates -- which is almost nonexistent.

    He said this in an NPR interview:

    And the Vanity Fair excerpt:
    How PTSD Became a Problem Far Beyond the Battlefield
     
  11. Ace

    Ace Well-Known Member

    Did you know that in the Revolutionary War, where we first achieved our freedom, many of the soldiers and officers had not been paid in years and were ready to mutiny -- and some had. Washington hanged a bunch of them to get everyone on line.

    So you could also look at it as from the start, we treated out soldiers like crap but most did the job anyway.
     
  12. HanSenSE

    HanSenSE Well-Known Member

    So we can blame soccer? Or has our foreign policy become orange slices for everyone?
     
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