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Kaepernick sits out the anthem

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by HanSenSE, Aug 27, 2016.

  1. Smallpotatoes

    Smallpotatoes Well-Known Member

  2. LongTimeListener

    LongTimeListener Well-Known Member

    Thanks for telling us that's satire.
     
  3. Smallpotatoes

    Smallpotatoes Well-Known Member

    I do what I can.
     
  4. MUTigers

    MUTigers Member

    Jehovah Witnesses don't stand for the national anthem. Does that make them bad?
     
  5. CD Boogie

    CD Boogie Well-Known Member

    He shoulda quit when he was right
     
  6. heyabbott

    heyabbott Well-Known Member

    That s why I always sit down when they come to the door
     
  7. CD Boogie

    CD Boogie Well-Known Member

    Probably far down on the list of reasons why they suck.
     
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  8. HanSenSE

    HanSenSE Well-Known Member

    Once upon a time the news business concentrated on newsworthy things. Nowadays it's all about celebrity navel-gazing and crotch-sniffing.
     
    Ace and Smallpotatoes like this.
  9. bigpern23

    bigpern23 Well-Known Member

    When CD Boogie says a higher percentage of white people are killed by police than black people, it's a spurious argument because he's including white people who are attacking someone with a deadly weapon, which is 70 percent of the white victims. So in that context, the statistics I cited work fine to shed some context on the demographic breakdown of police shootings.

    I do see where you're going, but we're not as concerned about the people who die (or survive) a confrontation during an attack in progress with a deadly weapon. Let's stipulate for the sake of argument that the vast majority of those police shootings were probably justified.

    The outrage occurs when blacks who present a low level of threat (those who are unarmed and are not engaged in an attack in progress) are killed at more than double the rate than whites. Now, to your point, we don't know how many interactions unarmed black people who are not engaged in an "attack in progress" have occurred. But if we look at the NY Times piece, we see that there is a pattern of bias in those non-lethal incidents, where black people are more likely to be pushed against a wall, handcuffed, pepper sprayed/tasered and/or have a gun pointed at them.

    That's why I thought it was interesting and useful to look at both studies. The one area then that becomes confusing is that odd gap where there's a pattern of bias in non-lethal incidents, no pattern of bias in non-lethal shootings and then again, a pattern of bias in the lethal shootings.
     
  10. doctorquant

    doctorquant Well-Known Member

    I'll repeat: This is not an inference that can be drawn from the numbers you're working with. You're saying that a black person who presents a low-level threat is twice as likely to be killed as a white person doing the same thing. That might be true. But the numbers you have do not -- and, indeed, cannot -- be used to support that.
     
  11. heyabbott

    heyabbott Well-Known Member

    I like look forward to Mr Kaepernick's speech in Sweden and Norway
     
  12. CD Boogie

    CD Boogie Well-Known Member

    If we put police officers in the upper middle class with salaries (which they should be), do you think a lot of these problems would be addressable? Not to say people of all strata aren't given to racist leanings (because they are), but when you empower people who are barely more educated than the people they police, it seems ripe for abuse.
     
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